Immigration - October 2007

Yes it takes a minute to read so do not whine.LONG ISLAND officials protested when federal agents searching for immigrant gang members raided local homes two weeks ago. The agents had rousted American citizens and legal immigrants from their beds in the night, complained Lawrence W. Mulvey, the Nassau County police commissioner, and arrested suspected illegal immigrants without so much as a warrant.

“We don’t need warrants to make the arrests,” responded Peter J. Smith, the special agent in charge in New York for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, the agency that conducted the raids.

His concise answer helps explain the friction that the Bush administration’s recent campaign of immigration enforcement has caused. Last week, immigration officials announced that they had made more than 1,300 arrests across the country over the summer when they went looking for gang members. Since the raids were carried out under immigration law, many protections in place under the American criminal codes did not apply. Foreign residents of the United States, whether here legally or not, answer to a different set of rules.

Immigration agents are not required to obtain warrants to detain suspects. The agents also have broad authority to question people about their immigration status and to search them and their homes. There are no Miranda rights that agents must read when making arrests. Detained immigrants have the right to a lawyer, but only one they can pay for.

While criminal suspects are generally sent to jails near the courts that hear their cases, immigration agents have discretion in deciding where to hold immigrants detained for deportation. Many suspected illegal immigrants who were detained in Nassau County, for example, were quickly moved to York, Pa., distant from family and legal advice.

This parallel course for noncitizens is not new. But it has come into fuller view as the enforcement drive has swept up record numbers of illegal immigrants, also reaching legal immigrants and citizens. In answer, a barrage of lawsuits is challenging both the laws and their enforcers…

Immigration law remains founded on the notion that immigrants are not full members of American society until they become citizens, writes Professor Kanstroom, who is also a practicing immigration lawyer. The reduced protections in modern-day law were shaped by some of the darker episodes of the 20th century, he writes, including the prosecution of immigrant dissidents, like the Australian union leader Harry Bridges, in the 1930s; and the mass roundups of Mexican workers in the 1950s.

Arising from that landscape, the courts that handle immigration cases are part of the Justice Department, not the judiciary. Even immigrants who have lived here legally for many years, lawyers said, can run afoul of the immigration laws with minor infractions or misdemeanors. A late filing of visa renewal papers or a shoplifting citation can quickly spiral into an order for the ultimate penalty: deportation. Immigrants who fight the orders have more limited bail rights than American criminals and can spend years behind bars while their cases inch through the overburdened court system…

There are sharp differences among legal experts and law enforcement officials about the limited protections in the immigration laws, many of which have been upheld over the years by the Supreme Court. Officials point out that the majority of the people deported last year entered the country illegally or plainly had lost any claim to legal status, including thousands of convicts.

“Immigration law enforcement is all about getting you to where you belong, which is outside the United States,” said Jan C. Ting, a law professor at Temple University who is a former assistant commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the precursor to ICE. He pointed out that immigration laws are civil codes, not criminal. “A lot of constitutional protections that one would normally expect in a criminal case do not necessarily apply,” he said.

Professor Ting says ICE agents are well within their authority to question people they come across in the course of a raid, even if they are not its targets, and detain them as suspects.

But new legal challenges are seeking to restrain ICE’s powers. A lawsuit in Tennessee challenges raids where agents teamed up with a county sheriff to search trailer parks, forcing their way without warrants into Hispanic immigrants’ homes. In a suit against ICE in Texas, seven citizens and legal immigrants contend their rights were violated in raids last year at Swift & Company meatpacking plants…

The basic laws of our country seem to have come as a nasty shock to the legal scholars at the New York Times.


Immigration law remains founded on the notion that immigrants are not full members of American society until they become citizens…

What an outrage.


The reduced protections in modern-day law were shaped by some of the darker episodes of the 20th century, he writes, including the prosecution of immigrant dissidents, like the Australian union leader Harry Bridges, in the 1930s; and the mass roundups of Mexican workers in the 1950s.

Would that be Harry Bridges the Communist rabble rouser who was prosecuted by successive Presidents FDR, Truman and Eisenhower for his non-stop union thuggery?

And would that horrific ”mass roundup of Mexican workers” be the completely lawful and highly effective “Operation *******,” which deported approximately 80,000 Mexican nationals in less than a year? And which convinced another 500,000 - 700,000 illegal aliens to go home?

Ah, those were “darker episodes” indeed. We certainly can’t anyone enforcing our nation’s laws, can we?

But hopes springs eternal in the breast of the “paper of treason.”

With the NYT’s championing, the ALCU and other taxpayer supported 501c3 charities will soon be able to sue away all of those hidebound, pettifogging distinctions like “citizen” or “taxpayer.”

After all, there are votes to be harvested for their DNC masters. And to hell with everything else.

2007-10-14 10:22:45 · 11 answers · asked by Anonymous

a. allow all refugees a safe haven

b. help many from other countries become citizens of the united states

c. exert limited control over who can enter the country

d. adapt regulations to fit changing conditions at a particular time

2007-10-14 10:08:42 · 5 answers · asked by Anonymous

1. How do we know they're illegals? I know some citizens who've had to go this route too.

2. Why do raids on these types of groups target the ones needing the work? I would think the raids would target those trying to employ these people. They usually pay cash and don't pay into Workman's Comp etc. Which violates MANY Tax laws etc.

What do you think?

2007-10-14 09:52:57 · 9 answers · asked by Dog Tricks 4

They can protest when they want too.BOCA DEL RIO, Mexico - Opposition protesters egged and then tore down a bronze statue of former Mexican President Vicente Fox down today, just hours after it was erected.

Workers put up the commemorative statue before dawn in the city of Boca del Rio, in Veracruz state.

But by 9 a-m some 100 angry protesters, many of them members of the Institutional Revolutionary party, or P-R-I, surrounded the figure.

Fox, of the conservative National Action party, ended 71 years of P-R-I rule with his historic election in July 2000.

The crowd launched eggs at the statue, fastened a rope around its neck and pulled it to the ground, breaking off the right hand and damaging the base.

Boca del Rio Mayor Francisco Gutierrez de Velasco, a member of Fox's party, condemned the acts but said municipal police did not intervene because the statue is the state's property.

An inauguration ceremony scheduled for Sunday has been cancelled until further notice
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5i9ZK3lHES5CA5bxeYCn1jALD1NAQ

2007-10-14 09:46:01 · 7 answers · asked by Anonymous

2007-10-14 09:45:12 · 31 answers · asked by Anonymous

i can care less that natives were here(united states) first so miss me that ****! amerindians were in latin america(french term) too as well but i never here ppl say it in regards to people in latin american countries where they(amerindians) exist or are non existent as they do to people in the U.S!

NOW WHEN IMMIGRANTS COME TO AMERICA WHETHER FROM AFRICA, EUROPE OR LATIN AMERICAN/ caribbean NO MATTER WHAT GENERATION they are still referred to or refer to themselves as their nationality, many people say they are whatever country there parents came from with US citizenship living in the U.S and dont see themselves as AMERICANS know matter how long

nigerian or nigerian-american
somali or somali-american
mexican or mexican america

spanish/spainard(spain) or spanish america
japanese or japanese american
chinese or chinese america/ italian or italian american

americans living abroad in latin america are called gringos or americans not the country they gain citizenship in....

2007-10-14 09:17:43 · 2 answers · asked by romira T 1

2007-10-14 09:13:54 · 10 answers · asked by 7_7_7 3

i really don't want to give up my us citizen ship and i wasn't born into a jap family (i'm african-american)

2007-10-14 09:06:40 · 13 answers · asked by alton s 2

I say yes for many reasons. However we also need to have certain things in other languages. We do get tourists here and they should feel welcomed. But in our schools and elsewhere English should be encouraged. If only to keep ALL people on an equal footing as far as advancement.

We could use the civil rights movement as an example. Students in inner city schools were left behind because of lax and inept schools. The civil rights movement brought to light that these kids were being left out of opportunities just because of this lack of educational goals. Wouldn't the same thing apply to immigrants? Isn't pandering to their language of origin actually holding them back from advancement?

2007-10-14 08:39:53 · 19 answers · asked by Dog Tricks 4

2007-10-14 08:28:02 · 19 answers · asked by mamadixie 7

....and why are US companies and the government allowing this?...most all of our families were immigrants and most had to learn english. for example people do lose jobs, not just to illegal immigrants but to americans of spanish decent who are native spanish speakers, companies are giving them jobs over others with more experience and longer time with the company just because they speak spanish even if their english is not so good. for example my husband is an immigrant, but he spent years learning and practicing english so he could do well in america, but now that he is here the companies are not hiring him because spanish is not a language he speaks, nevermind that he speaks 4 other languages, if no spanish then no way. how can we work to make english the official language in the US? i dont care what people speak in their homes, but in the business world there must be a medium of communication.

2007-10-14 08:14:01 · 26 answers · asked by jessica39 5

I think it actually set a bad precedent. Allowing an amnesty of that sort should NEVER be allowed again.

What do you think?

2007-10-14 08:03:34 · 6 answers · asked by Dog Tricks 4

I do. But so far I haven't seen any REAL enforcement on the issue. Do you think maybe these business's that hire illegals have something to do with that? I do. I believe they LIKE having illegal workers because they can pay them squat, make them work long hours, they don't have to pay into workman's comp. etc. etc. Big business also has our politicians ear and pocket books in their hip pockets. Could this be why nothing seems to get resolved with this issue?

2007-10-14 07:51:13 · 19 answers · asked by Dog Tricks 4

Do you have anyone in your house who doesn't share your views on the illegal situation? If you do, do you discuss it or leave that topic alone?

I'm Pro my new husband is Anti. We discuss the situation and don't let it interfere in our relationship. Actually we both learn from each other.

Anyone else find themselves in this type of situation? And who is the most involved with the illegal immigration cause?

2007-10-14 06:55:40 · 20 answers · asked by Dog Tricks 4

Gotta hand it to them, they definitely conquered them. And they conquered the aspect of working for 2 dollars an hour.

2007-10-14 05:56:42 · 14 answers · asked by Watch it bub! 3

2007-10-14 05:34:48 · 5 answers · asked by Leydi T 1

How can some one become a u.s.a citizen?

2007-10-14 05:34:40 · 4 answers · asked by Anonymous

hey, i'm looking to move to US to work for a while, went on US embassy site for info and it says you need a sponsor or member of family livig there to qualify. i have 10 year old son to and need to know can he come with me on my visa and will he be left attend school, and by the way im not interested in being an au-pair. please help i want to go so badly and need info. if anyone could help i would really appreciate it.

2007-10-14 04:20:06 · 3 answers · asked by Anonymous

What are some of the key problems with Mexican immigration into the US besides population changes?

2007-10-14 03:42:44 · 14 answers · asked by Spicks&Specks01 1

i just petitioned for my spouse to come to the united states a week ago and now i received this green postcaerd like thing from immigration what does this mean

2007-10-14 03:19:02 · 3 answers · asked by love 3

I got job offer from nigeria i send all docu ments pl tell me this is wrong or erite SHUVANKAR MAHAPATRA,

It is of utmost importance to inform you that after the screening and scrutiny of your Curriculum Vitae with other verification procedures carried out, we, the Human Resources Department, were able to resolve the status of your application.

On this note, we hereby congratulate you on the success of your application and as such we have attached to you the Offer Letter/Terms of Agreement that transcends any written document. You are therefore required to follow these procedures IMMEDIATELY so as to complete your employment formalities:

(1)You are to contact the Nigerian Immigration Services for a valid Work-Permit/Employment Authorization Document IMMEDIATELY so as to enable your work in Nigeria legally.

Note that the procurement of your work-permit MUST not exceed the deadline as stipulated in the offer letter as it would take four (4) working days for the Nigerian Immigration Services to procure your work-permit .Below are the contact details of the Nigerian Immigration Services:

Name: Comptroller Dr Mike A. Ademola
Designation: Head of Visa/Work Permit Operations
Email: workpermit@ng-immigrationservice-gov.org
Tel: +234-70-3534-6199

(2)You are required to sign the Terms of Agreement and after that you have to send one copy to the Human Resources Department and one copy to the Nigerian Immigration Services , so that they will start the preparation of your works and resident permit, which shows that you are ready to join the team.

Mrs. Rachael Ezinne Onwuka
Email: human-resources-sharaton@chef.net
Human Resources Department
Sharaton Hotel And Resorts

(3) Once we confirm your works and residence permit from the Nigerian Immigration services, which stipulates that you are ready to join the team, we will take care of your traveling documents together with your flight ticket and any money which you spend in the procurement of your Nigerian Valid papers will be reimbursed to you during your first month upfront salary.

N/B: You have to write an application letter and send it together with the documents below to the Nigerian Immigration Services:

Your Full Name:
Home Address:
Your Country, Zip Code and Mobile Number:
Contract Agreement And Appointment Letter together with appointment letter:

We hereby once more congratulate you on the success of your application amongst many that have applied and thereby instruct you to expedite all requirements as aforementioned so as to be able to meet the team before the deadline. Do get back to us with developments and updates regarding the procurement of your valid work-permit.

Congratulations!

c/o: Mr.HARRY ABUH
Recruitment Manager Of Sharaton
Phone: +234-805-661-5-216
Email:becky_careerpowers@yahoo.com



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2007-10-14 02:25:37 · 13 answers · asked by shuvankarindchef 1

Every question that has something about voting BNP, or saying that immigrants should go home are asked by different useres, who's username always has a space, then /.
So it goes, "USERNAME /"

Have a look down the list at the moment, and see what you think...
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/dir/index;_ylt=Ao1OiH9TWC2h2ZqGU3eZWiAgBgx.;_ylv=3?sid=396546045

2007-10-14 01:45:22 · 16 answers · asked by BrilliantPomegranate 4

2007-10-14 00:52:41 · 5 answers · asked by Anonymous

Just curious; my friends husband is acting strange thanks

2007-10-14 00:06:56 · 7 answers · asked by Anonymous

are the medical schools in the filipines so bad, that they need to retrain for a job, that they as doctors should be able to tell a nurse how to do in the first place?

2007-10-13 21:16:05 · 7 answers · asked by Anonymous

I myself wished to immigrate to UK for better living(high money currency). We can see many people travel to UK legally/illegally to seek for jobs and livings, most of them become domectis servants or maids. Talk about it.

2007-10-13 20:29:42 · 10 answers · asked by CBK(teluk intan) 2

In your view, is illegal immigration the greatest domestic challenge to national security, job preservation, cultural identity, financial security, health, education, law enforcement, and out-of-control tax spending in the United States?

2007-10-13 18:47:05 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous

... or put them up for adoption? People lose their children every day for negligence and abuse. Is it really not abusive to put a child in circumstances that could so easily result in losing both parents to deportation?

Child Protective Services investigates and evaluates homes when neighbors call with worries for children they see neglected or abused. Should this be considered the same? Worse?
...

2007-10-13 16:32:31 · 9 answers · asked by Anonymous

If the USA is the worlds life boat and we keep giving away all that we cherish, who long will it be before it sinks?

2007-10-13 16:24:01 · 10 answers · asked by Anonymous

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22581482-5006301,00.html?from=public_rss

And just throw away the mistakes?

What do you think?

2007-10-13 16:23:30 · 6 answers · asked by DAR 7