1. An Iowa class battleship has way to much armor to be pierced by Cruise missile or harpoon because cruise missiles carry only a 1000lb warhead and usually intercepted which is why they are never shot at ships often (or is there a chance to shoot them at another ship) and harpoons only have a 500lb warhead but not strong enough to pierce the Iowa since the harpoon lack the ability that most ww2 bombs did “Steel on target”.
2. The modern guns of the Battleship can rip a modern destroyer/cruiser in half, and a CV would be dead in the water after one hit or unable to launch aircraft if it got hit on top of it, Hell I think even a harpoon missile could do that if it was not intercepted!
3. True battleships can be targeted by Subs but that is why you usually have battleships screened by a destroyer or with subs, just like with any carrier fleet today.
4. Modern advances in the battleships could be made today at the cost little since ramjet projectiles have already been successfully tested and fired at 100nm with good accuracy and even with an improved warhead of HMX or RDX explosive.
5. Arguing the Battleships reactivation cost is useless since reactivation and modernization together costs as much as a modern missile frigate which I have come to view as being quite interesting since a BB can threaten a whole city conventially.
6. Manpower is a joke since it takes 5000+ men to run a CV when a Iowa class Battleship takes 1,921 men at maximum capacity (minimum is 800+) and with greater firepower and if range is a problem the Pentagon has already said they want more Tomahawks in the war on terrorism so the amount of tomahawks deployed on each battleship would be increased about 3x as much as they were in the Persian gulf.
7. A battleship can make decisions easier when invading on a beach easier than a destroyer using tomahawk missiles and a puny 5in gun that couldn’t make craters in runways of enemy airports.
8. Battleships have all weather status and are not affected by any kind of weather including hurricanes.
9. A Battleships will only take 1-2 million a year to maintain. At the same time an aircraft carrier cost's several Millions to replace missiles and aircraft (if it wasn’t for the people who put money into the navy’s pocket because they have a house onboard the ship, we would have much less amount of Super carrier’s today).
10. Reactivation and Modernization will only take 1-2 years.
11. Reactivation costs are $500 million and modernization is $2 billion.
12. to further Technology of the Battleships would cost an additional million if not less for the projectiles to be but into production.
13. True no such personnel know or are trained to operate a battleship main gun but can easily be taught if trained properly since manning the main guns is an easy task just as with any gun.
14. Some reports have indicated a battleship's main guns could be used as anti aircraft if the time detonation fuses could be computer operated with its target and shoot 10mm sabot shells plus shrapnel when shell explodes allowing it to be used as an: anti-air, anti-missile, and even anti-ballistic missile some cases said they mixed ramjet rounds with this shell design that it would be able to take out ICBM’s!
15. Some or all 5" guns could be removed when the new ERGM comes out to replace the older 5” guns if you wanted to.
16. No ship or missile in the world is designed to take out the battleship with one shot or with many massed attacks.
17. Battleship Survivability is truly since the Iowa class battleship mostly consists of thick amounts of “Class A Steel” belt armor reinforced by large Bulk heads and Barbettes.
18. True the turrent on the USS Iowa did explode but it only did so little damage to the ship that it can easily be repaired and which was considered in the GAO Reports I read so that turrent has already been included into the mathematics of reactivating the battleships plus even after the explosion it did not render the whole ship inoperable could it have been with a modern destroyer or frigate.
19. True Air Superiority is necessary but when it comes down to shore bombardment, Planes can be: intercepted, sometimes ineffective economically and physically, time to respond even from 10 miles, and usually avoided by the enemy until the marines come on up to the shore to attack.
20. Currently building new battleships would be.....truly expensive depending upon their armaments and capabilities and just be a lot easier to reactivate and modernize our battleships today.
21. Surface ships were built for Naval presence, if we did not want Naval presence we would have built the arsenal ship back then but it came down to the fact that the arsenal ship could be easily struck by one harpoon missile and probably blow up the whole ship because of it's weak armor and heavy armament beyond it's own defensive capabilities to protect exposed weapons whereas the battleship can protect it's magazine and it's missiles with several anti-air/missile weapons and thick enough armor to make sure they don't explode by the bullet proving that ships do need armor, even today. Hell The USS Cole Bombing proved our destroyers and frigates are unable to take a single hit from even a small speedboat with explosives, chances are they were probably using dynamite for the bombs which is a joke, hell when I read the article I laughed a bit myself, it’s a joke to think the U.S. Navy will never get hit when we are at war, even if it is with a third world country.
22. Iowa class battleships today cannot be compared with the ships of WW1 or WW2 due to the fact that technology back then against aircraft was completely ineffective in most cases whereas today trying to hit a destroyer with a single harpoon is almost impossible but massed attacks would sink a destroyer after 1-3 hits of harpoons.
23. In history the Iowa’s have been praised for their ability to put "steel on target" something that no other ship in the world is able to comprehend due to modern destroyers only shooting weak 5" guns and cruisers of the same size guns, hell the only thing that separates the difference today between a destroyer and a cruiser is their length and the fact that cruisers carry a few more tomahawks and have one more gun than a destroyer, and most frigates today only shoot 3" shells sometimes (I wonder what this world is coming to!).
24. The current intended replacement of the Iowa class battleships is the DD(X) destroyer, which is now being questioned since each will cost 3+ billion (USD) and small 19 pound explosive out of a 225 pound projectile is also being questioned on strength and the price of one projected DD(X) will mean that two Iowa class BB’s can be reactivated and modernized with extra money to spare and built in less time with greater firepower. I understand the concept of the DD(X) to have stealth on surface to “change the future of naval warfare” but if that’s true and the enemy does think they are unable to find the DD(X) on it’s radar they will fire at innocent civilians to try and find it or even if they spot it, it’s pretty hard not to spot a fishing boat out in the middle of the ocean fishing knowing that fish aren’t usually out that far but by the shore.
25. Battleship explosive power can easily be increased since current battleship shells use TNT and not RDX or HMX explosives which would give them a close 200lbs+ explosive force instead of a 145 lb force, the anti-ship shells of the Iowa BB’s would be used with this new warhead also.
If you wish you find out what I’ve gotten my sources from here they are:
About the Ramjet round- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramjet
About the Iowa class battleships- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_class_battleship
About the remaining Iowa class battleships- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wisconsin_%28BB-64%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_%28BB-61%29
Some other commentary I came across- http://www.g2mil.com/battleships.htm
I would have liked to have list all of my sources but that would take to long so enjoy for now!
2007-12-13
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