Immigration - September 2006

What if the United States were pouring its poorest, least educated citizens across the border into Mexico? Could anyone be fooled into thinking that Mexico was being "culturally enriched?" What if the state of Chihuahua were losing its majority population to poor Whites who demanded that schools be taught in English, who insisted on celebrating the Fourth of July, who demanded the right to vote even if they weren't citizens, who clamored for "affirmative action" in jobs and schooling?

Would Mexico - or any other non-White nation - tolerate this kind of cultural and demographic depredation? Of course not. Yet White Americans are supposed to look upon the flood of Hispanics and Asians entering their country as a priceless cultural gift. They are supposed to "celebrate" their own loss of influence, their own dwindling numbers, their own dispossession, for to do otherwise would be hopelessly racist.

Who really is the racist in this dynamic ?

2006-09-24 11:20:48 · 18 answers · asked by Yakuza 7

I don't believe that people hate Mexicans. I believe that they hate what they might be doing. Please note that there is a clear difference here.

Can anyone really say that they actually hate Mexicans as people or do you hate what they are doing?

2006-09-24 11:07:15 · 21 answers · asked by Anonymous

If so, I'd like to report them. They drink all the time. Mexican rap lingers through out the night. I think they sell drugs to all kinds of cars and trucks are there at all times of the night or day.Who do you report the landlord to?Arn't police suppose to do something about heavy traffic at personal homes. They park on the street,the grass,They have even blocked our driveway and they just laugh and say we are here we are staying call ice we want care. What is a mexican to do with illegals?

2006-09-24 10:58:38 · 27 answers · asked by ShoeShine 1

Just for curiousity

2006-09-24 10:45:04 · 17 answers · asked by Yussef 1

2006-09-24 10:34:54 · 26 answers · asked by alwaysright 3

2006-09-24 10:30:49 · 15 answers · asked by Anonymous

2006-09-24 10:23:17 · 24 answers · asked by PETER H 1

I can't help but get pissed off that they come here and have children, just for the purpose of making it easier to stay in the U.S. Not only are you "using" your child, but you're also creating one more mouth to feed, and one more person for U.S. citizens to pay for.

I can't figure out if the "cheap labor" we receive from illegals is really worth it.

2006-09-24 10:20:42 · 27 answers · asked by alwaysright 3

I have a freind in England who wants to become a citizen in the US. I realize you have to go through a naturalization process, but before all of that, what do you do? What are the first steps? And any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

2006-09-24 10:13:56 · 5 answers · asked by kai_oshea 2

I think it will work........bring on the hate mail baby!

Q...if Latino people didn't have unprotected sex like it is a competitive sport would this immigration thiing even be a big issue....No....wear condoms people...not rocket science...an don't give the religous crap

2006-09-24 10:05:04 · 12 answers · asked by Anonymous

Anytime I need a good laugh, I can always come here. There is so much senseless arguing and name calling that it is actually entertaining.
Does anyone else come to the forum just for the entertainment?

(And in this corner, PRO ILLEGAL. And in the other corner, ANTI ILLEGAL. May the best man win.)

2006-09-24 10:04:25 · 22 answers · asked by Made in America 7

Contrary to information out there about MCDC and accusations of "racism" because of our patrols along the southern border with Mexico, with cries of, "If you're not racist, why aren't you patrolling the northern border," the Washington State Chapter of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps in October will celebrate its ONE YEAR anniversary with its THIRD month-long, 24/7 operations along the northern border. Operations in several other northern border states will be taking place periodically throughout October, with plans for patrols every single day in locations along the northern border after October.

It seems they are on both borders.
Whats your take on this?

2006-09-24 10:00:38 · 7 answers · asked by Yakuza 7

Government can get more tax from legal migrants than the ilegal immigrants, because companies do not pay tax from ilegal immigrants. 2,000,000 immigrants paying £10.00 per week. Can you please calculate one year or 10 year (only £10.00 per week

2006-09-24 09:50:49 · 14 answers · asked by marco m 1

Everyday more immigrants are coming to this country and having children. This kids will have a right to vote someday.
note: Our latino families dont have less than 3 kids.

How powerful is the thought of this. Hispanics are not a minority anymore, we must begin to learn more about what is going on in this country in regards of the immigrant situation. so the day that you vote, you will make the right decision. And you will fight for your rights.

2006-09-24 09:50:13 · 12 answers · asked by natarrenata 2

Because I Find It Hilarious !!

Two Mexican detectives were investigating the murder of Juan Gonzalez.
"How was he killed?" asked one detective.
"With a golf gun," the other detective replied.
"A golf gun?! What is a golf gun?"
"I don't know. But it sure made a hole in Juan."

2006-09-24 09:49:25 · 22 answers · asked by OLDSMOBOMB 1996 3

Subject: Let's say I break into your house...
>
> > > > >>>Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country
> >>protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of
> >>illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the U.S. might
> >>protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country
> >>and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly
> >>understand the thinking behind these protests.
> >>
> >>Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me
> >>in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the
> >>beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors;
> >>I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and
> >>honest (except for when I broke into your house).
> >>
> >>According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add
> >>me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other
> >>benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work
> >>because he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in
> >>part).
> >>
> >>If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends
> >>who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be
> >>there.
> >>
> >>It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and
> >>I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest, um,
> >>except for well, you know.
> >>
> >>And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only
> >>a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about
> >>it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an
> >>anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you
> >>can communicate with me.
> >>
> >>Why can't people see how ridiculous this is?! Only in America ....

2006-09-24 09:43:58 · 5 answers · asked by OLDSMOBOMB 1996 3

they will give you every excuse in the book as to why they can't stand up to their government....."because they don't want ther loved ones to die in war" was one answer I got........so starving to death is better alternative? I asked why can't they get together and build schools and houses......"the building supplys are too expensive" and a group of you can't send enough money back to build one house at a time? you would eventually get
a decent comunity going....... just they have no true answers as to why they need to drag us down with them other than they are looking for free and easy way instead of working hard to make their country better place.

2006-09-24 09:41:52 · 15 answers · asked by darkvale 3

'Border baby' boom strains S. Texas
More illegal immigrants are pouring into the state to give birth


By JAMES PINKERTON
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

RIO GRANDE CITY — First it was a trickle, now it's a flood.

Rising numbers of undocumented immigrants from Mexico and Central America are streaming into Texas to give birth, straining hospitals and costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, health officials say.

Doctors and health officials say they are overwhelmed by both the new arrivals and those immigrant mothers who already are in the state. Even Houston's feeling the pinch. An estimated 70 percent to 80 percent of the 10,587 births at Ben Taub General Hospital and Lyndon B. Johnson General Hospital last year were to undocumented immigrants, administrators say.

Also feeling the strain is Starr County, an already poor South Texas county that has the region's only taxpayer-supported hospital district.

Immigrants "want a U.S.-born baby" and know that emergency room staffers don't collect any money up front, said Dr. Mario Rodriguez, an obstetrician in Starr County.

"The word is out: Come to Starr County and get delivered for free. Why pay $1,000 in Mexico when you can get it for free?" Rodriguez said.

''When we are separated only by the distance of the river, it's easy to do," Starr County hospital administrator Thalia Muñoz said. "It's gotten worse, and it's because the economy in Mexico is not good and because we provide all these benefits."

Unfortunately, doctors say, Starr County isn't alone.

''Our little snapshot is duplicated in all the municipalities between here and California," said Tony Falcon, a Rio Grande City physician who was appointed to the U.S.-Mexico Border Health Commission in April. ''What you see here is what is happening in Brownsville, McAllen, El Paso and San Diego."

He operates a private family clinic and delivers babies at the Starr County hospital. About a third of his deliveries are what he calls "walk-ins" — mothers in labor showing up at the ER.

''Obviously, it has a huge impact on patient health and the kind of health care that's provided," Falcon said. "You don't get the kind of prenatal care you should get."


'Anchor babies'
Immigration-control advocates regard the U.S.-born infants as "anchor babies" because they give their undocumented parents and relatives a way to petition for citizenship. They estimate that 360,000 of these babies are born in the U.S. every year and warn that the numbers are rising.

Once parents have an "anchor baby," they become more difficult to deport, said Jack Martin, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a lobby organization in Washington, D.C.

''It's a fairly big factor in complicating the removal of illegal aliens," Martin said. "Illegal aliens know that and, to some extent, we think they're being influenced into having children as soon as they get into the U.S. to complicate their removal."

Some lawmakers want to begin denying citizenship to babies born to illegal immigrants.

Birthright citizenship, as it is known, has been in force since the approval of the Constitution's 14th Amendment in 1868. But several bills under consideration in Congress would abolish the longstanding federal policy. Sponsors include U.S. Reps. Ron Paul, R-Lake Jackson, and Nathan Deal, R-Ga.

In a largely symbolic move, the Michigan House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Sept. 8 to end birthright citizenship.

Undocumented immigrants say they are being attacked unfairly and think that all children born in the U.S. should have equal rights.

Socorro Gonzalez, an undocumented immigrant who in August gave birth to her fourth child on U.S. soil, said she and her husband aren't trying to take advantage of immigration laws or abuse the health care system.

''We're not here to have a child. We are here to work," she said as she cradled her infant son, Orlando Soto.

Gonzalez, 42, said she moved to South Texas four years ago to join her husband, a cabinet maker. Two of their older children were born at a private midwife's clinic, she said, and two were delivered at taxpayer expense at hospitals in McAllen.

Gonzalez said the benefits of undocumented immigrants' labor in the U.S. more than compensate for the costs of their medical bills.

''I don't see why they should deny a medical service if we're here struggling for this country," she said. ''Because of the help of Mexican workers, whether they want us or not, this country is progressing."

Still, someone has to pay the bills, and not everyone is happy about that.


Uncollected medical bills
Starr County Memorial Hospital had $3.6 million in uncollected medical bills in 2005, up from $1.5 million in 2002. The total when fiscal 2006 ends on Sept. 30 is expected to hit $3.9 million, chief financial officer Rafael Olivarez said. Unpaid bills for the past five years will reach nearly $13 million, he said.

To make up for the shortfall, Starr County's hospital district is proposing a 25 percent tax hike.

Already, the U.S. government is pitching in, setting aside $1 billion in Medicaid funds to pay for emergency care received by undocumented migrants over the next four years.

But Olivarez said getting the reimbursements isn't easy. Federal officials ''told us at a meeting they would pay us about 20 cents on the dollar," he said. "But it's better than nothing."

No one knows for sure how many undocumented immigrants there are or what they cost the health care system. Most hospitals don't ask whether patients have papers.


Total cost unknown

''It puts them in the position of being border police," said Amanda Engler, a spokeswoman for the Texas Hospital Association in Austin.

Harris County Hospital District officials say their policy is not to question patients directly about their citizenship.

''We do not explicitly ask if our patients are illegal, but we do ask them for proof of Harris County residency," district spokeswoman Shannon Rasp said. "Often citizenship status becomes clearer when billing issues come up."

Eighty-three percent of the undocumented immigrants receiving in-patient care at the district's hospitals and clinics last year were from Mexico, officials said. Six percent were from El Salvador or Guatemala. And the remaining 11 percent were from such countries as Britain, Canada, Haiti, India, Iran, Iraq, Nigeria and Vietnam.

''Using anecdotal information provided us by our staff, statistics from other public hospital systems and our patient demographics, we believe that approximately 70 to 80 percent of our obstetrics patients are undocumented," Rasp said.

In all, 57,072 patients visited the district's hospitals, clinics and health centers last year, and nearly a fifth were undocumented, Rasp said. The cost of their treatment was $97.3 million, up from $55 million in 2002.

2006-09-24 09:38:24 · 13 answers · asked by Zoe 4

then what is it? It is not a mineral or a vegetable. It is not an animal such as a dog or a monkey. In fact, it is not an animal at all; it is a human being. Cows give birth to cows; horses give birth to horses. No medical person has any difficulty identifying an unborn dog as a dog, or an unborn pig as a pig. Why should there be any question about an unborn human?

2006-09-24 09:24:40 · 13 answers · asked by ☺ 1

Many on this site feel an entitlement to be here. Something that they falsely believe...a fairy tale of sorts. The truth is there is NO entitlement to be here...none....if you are not legally here you belong elsewhere.

Frankly, I'm sick of the illegal spin and am anxious for the mass deportation to begin, and it will.

But, in an effort to educate, Renagade shared this with us and I would like to share it once again

Here is a portion of U.S. LAW.
( US citizenship vs. US nationality )
US law makes a distinction between "citizenship" and "nationality." All US citizens are also US nationals; however, some US nationals are not US citizens.

The term "national of the United States" is defined in Section 101(a)(22) of the INA [8 USC § 1101(a)(22)] as "a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States".

Section 308 of the INA [8 USC § 1408] says (more or less) that a person born in an "outlying possession" of the US -- or*( a foreign-born child of such a person) -- is a US national, but (not a US citizen.)

2006-09-24 09:23:36 · 42 answers · asked by Anonymous

2006-09-24 09:22:34 · 6 answers · asked by Klei Lat 1

First of all, a baby is not part of its mother's body. It is an individual human being, with its own separate body. To be sure, the mother is "feeding" the inborn baby, but does a mother have the right to stop feeding her baby after it is born? This would be murder by starvation, and to cut off the source of life for a preborn baby is also a morally culpable act.

2006-09-24 09:19:33 · 10 answers · asked by ☺ 1

Published on MICHnews.com

If you don’t think our Congress is taking Americans for a ride, think again. According to Dr. Madeleine Cosman, "At least 300,000 to 350,000 anchor babies annually become citizens in California." In 1994, 74,987 anchor babies in maternity units cost taxpayers $215 million in Stockton, California. In 2003, 70 percent of the 2,300 babies born in San Joaquin General maternity ward were from illegal aliens. That number has exploded today with over three million illegal aliens residing in California.

The French economist Frederic Bastiat said, "The unseen is more expensive than the seen." In Stockton, California, the Silverio Family was featured in the Wall Street Journal in 2003. They were fruit pickers who arrived illegally from Oxtotilan, Mexico in 1997. The wife, Felipa had three kids, but popped an anchor baby named Flor. The child was premature and spent three months in a neonatal incubator at a cost to the San Joaquin Hospital of over $300,000.00. They conceived another, Christian. The second baby made them eligible for $1,000 per month welfare. Because Flor is disabled, she receives $600.00 monthly for asthma. Although the illegal aliens made $18,000.00 annually picking fruit, they collected $12,000.00 of your tax dollars for their anchor babies. One night the father, Cristobal crashed his van. He had no license or insurance. Taxpayers paid for all hospital bills. That’s why 77 hospitals in border states were going bankrupt in 2003, but Senator John McCain wrote a rider into the Medicaid Bill for $1.4 billion of your tax dollars. It passed. Not to finish the spending spree on these anchor babies, the children attend California schools at a cost of $7,000.00 per year over and above what their parents pay in taxes. The cost for all five of their children for one school year exceeds $35,000.00 times 18 years for a grand taxpayer total of $630,000.00. This is only one family. No wonder California is $38 billion in debt.

2006-09-24 09:10:06 · 10 answers · asked by Love America 4

not sue about the US, I know our govement letting people with crimial recordes get there passports. Bush said we need passports some time i guess, i just wen threw the customs and a some people had there passports, and the one's with the passports never checked them and just let thew. this was on US and Canada. This wjere our terriess coming threw PASSPORTS. We can't blame US or Canada cause both our faults. I know Canada don't check the ones with recordeds and just let them hav it WHY>>>>>>>>>>>There should be a caus in the passport appliecations saying you ever had or have a crimiaml recored.
People coming our own fault. Bush wants to change this for going threw with passports.
Our govermebt wants too do the same plus the one's who just appling wantes to chck them out more carefully.
thats why we are having problings

2006-09-24 09:08:03 · 3 answers · asked by rosalove222 3

Do you think they have any right to even suggest stopping this? I don't, it makes me really angry!

2006-09-24 09:03:22 · 26 answers · asked by claire 5

Enforcement, or big plate o cookies?

2006-09-24 09:01:29 · 16 answers · asked by gokart121 6

So If you love Yisrael, don't hate the Mexicans, because is an equal sin to be anti-Semitic or ant-Mexicanitic.

OK?

Don't hate Arabs, Muslims, Asians, Africans neither!
Don't hate anybody!

Be happy.

2006-09-24 08:34:38 · 15 answers · asked by GatoBalam 1

Apparently Congress only understands money
So The Boycott starts now!
Boycott the Invasion!
Don't give them a penny!
Hit the invader movement in the pocketbook!
Refuse the following:

1. The spanish Language:
don't speak it & don't support businesses which do

2. Products from Mexico and other invader countries -
including China!

3. Refuse to Patronize businesses which promote amnesty

4. Refuse to Patronize businesses which hire illegals
a)WALMART
b)Sam's Club
c)McDonalds
d)KFC
e)Taco Bell
f)Quiznos Subs

5. Refuse to Patronize or Buy Products
From businesses that promote the invasion
a)Pepsi
b)Tyson Foods
c)Perdue Chicken
d)Goya Foods
e) Aaron's Best (Kosher Meats)
f)The HOME DEPOT
g)PRIMO MEATS (Supplier For Quiznos) (closed May 1st)
h)Miller Brewing Company

6. Refuse to buy CDs of invader artists

7. Refuse to buy or drink Mexican Beer
Or Beer Distributed By Amnesty Endorsers And Supporters
a)Dos Equis (XX)
b)Corona

2006-09-24 08:26:59 · 24 answers · asked by Anonymous

aMERICAN IN aMERICA, Canadian in Canada, Europeans in EU. leave poor countries that they can live for thirselves and do not need foreings as well

2006-09-24 08:25:07 · 17 answers · asked by marco m 1

problem- "they don't pat taxes"

answer- grant them residency or citizenship so they can actually pay taxes. while so many people argue "no amnesty," they then procede to say things like "they don't pay taxes." (which by the way, they do pay some taxes when they buy things from the store). well duh! how are you suposed to pay taxes when you are not a citizen/resident?


p- "they are dumb"

a- use their newly granted citizenship/residancy taxes to put them through the schools that people refuse to let them go to


p- "they don't know english"

a- what so you think bilingual classes are for? they teach the kids spanish while at the same time, teaching them english. but like i previously mentioned, people refuse to let them learn, yet they complain about how they don't know.


p- "a lot of them are criminals"

a- actually, the majority are not criminals. so this is what we do: catch the real criminals of the immigrants and send THEM back. all the good ones can stay.

2006-09-24 08:02:10 · 23 answers · asked by Anonymous