Dear pentecostal brothers,
I hope you don't feel offended or annoyed about this. This is what I found out:
Tongues are not mentioned in any of the post-apostolic early church fathers' writings. Clemente of Rome, Justine Martyr, Origenes, Crisostomus and others( I hope you are informed about the early post-apostolic church leader) - considered tongues as a remote practice, something that occured in the apostolic times.
After the first century of christhianity, the only people that supposedly spoke in tongues were Montanus and his followers in the Second century and his main disciple: Tertullian. This group was heretic and was discredited because of the prophecies that fail to fulfill, specially the prophecy that the New Jerusalem would descend to Minor Asia during Montanus' days.
The next group that claimed to speak in tongues were the Cevenoles in the Seventeenth Century. This was also discredited due to their unfulfilled prophecies and military activities.
About 1731, a group of Roman-Catholic reformers named "Jansenists" celebrated night meetings at the tomb of their leader, where supposedly occured extatic tongues.
Another group that "spoke in tongues" were the Shakers, disciples of Mother Ann Lee, who lived from 1736 to 1784. She considered herself as the female equivalent of Jesuschrist. Then she founded the Shaker Community in Troy, New York. This group practiced very inmoral acts.
In 1830, Edward Irving started in London a small group named "Irvinguites". It is said he had revelations that CONTRADICTED THE SCRIPTURES. His prophecies remained unfulfilled and his alleged healings were followed by death. They also "spoke in tongues".
Joseph Smith- the leader of the Mormons and his followers "spoke in tongues" as well.
From Montanus up to Joseph Smith, every time that "tongues speaking" took place, they were never considered as part of genuine or orthodox christhianity.
But in the late nineteenth century, there was a group in the U.S.A named "Holliness Movement". Tongues speaking and other extatic phenomena were common.
It was in 1901, in the Bethel Bible College in Topeka Kansas that the tongues activities gave birth to the Pentecostal Movement.
Charles Parham, many times called "the father of modern pentecostalism", asked his students a question "What is the biblical evidence of the Holy Spirit baptism"? Then later his student, Agnes Ozman "received the Holy Spirit Baptism".
What is your opinion about this historical information? Were you previously informed about this? And a question:
You have two options, one is that tongues ceased after the death of all the apostles. But that tongues reappeared in the late nineteenth century or the early twentieth century. Or the other is that tongues never really ceased.
And a final great question: Were christhians wrong for about 1700-1800 years concerning the tongues issue?
2007-08-06
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