When did the church of Rome first discover the pope was infallible?

Question

Joe c, i agree but i was just wondering if some catholics actually considered a lot of the doctrines their church holds.
What happened to limbo?where are the people that were there now?
Can you still go to hell if you eat meat on good friday? etc.if not why not?
That the mass is officially a perpetual sacrifice,nullifying Christs perfect once and for all sacrifice?
Hence a figure of Christ on a cross in Catholic churches/Lutheran/High Anglican but an empty cross in Methodist/Baptist and other protestant denominations' churches.(signifying that the sacrifice is finished,never to be repeated,i.e. transubstantiation)

DougLawrence,this is what your church teaches about the mass:"We may establish that the Eucharist is a true sacrifice...the true nature of a sacrifice is realized in the Mass.By declaration of the council of Trent,Christ is recognised as the offering priest,the victim offered,and the immolation in the sacramental order.These essentials of the sacrifice are present in the three main actions of The Mass:the offertory,the consecration and the communion"-Catholic Encyclopedia.
In stark contrast heres what my Bible has to say:Christ is pictured as having accomplished His work having sat at the right hand of the Father(Hebrews 1:3;8:1)Hebrews repeatedly uses terms such as "ONCE","ONCE for all"and "FOREVER" to emphasize the perfection and finality of Christs death on the cross(Hebrews 9:12,26,28;10:12,12:2)If Christ offered one sacrifice for sins forever and thus obtained eternal redemption for us(Hebrews9:12:10:10-14)What is the need for a literal perpetualsacrifice as taught by your church

Answer 1

The Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is infallible at closely defined times.

The Pope is only infallible when he, in union with the body of bishops, solemnly teaches that a doctrine as true. This is called "ex cathedra", literally meaning in Latin "from the chair".

This comes from the words of Jesus to Peter (the first Pope) and the Apostles (the first bishops), "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" (Matthew 18:18) and "He who hears you hears me" (Luke 10:16).

At all other times the Pope can be just as wrong or sinful as you and me and be in need of forgiveness.

The Catholic Church has always believed that the Pope was infallible at times. It has only been since 1870 that we made it official.

For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 891: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p4.htm#891

With love in Christ.

Answer 2

It was about half an hour after Jesus gave Peter, along with the apostles the virtually unrestricted power to bind and loose anything on earth, and in heaven.

When God gives someone that kind of power, what would you call it?

From a very practical aspect, the pope only exercises infallibility under very limited and specific circumstances ... much as the prophets of old did, and as the writers of the new testament did also.

At last count, the pope has chosen to speak infallibly only twice, during the last 2000 years.

As for your other comments:

Q: What happened to limbo?where are the people that were there now?

A: "Limbo" was never anything more than a theoretical theological "construct" that attempted to explain where unbaptized souls might go. The recent clarification was simply a way of explaining that divine revelation offers little or no guidance in regard to such things. Tthe church had never officially adopted "Limbo" as a doctrine.

Q: Can you still go to hell if you eat meat on good friday? etc.if not why not?

A: Abstaining from meat on Fridays was a discipline, much like fasting ... and not a doctrinal matter.

After the 2nd Vatican Council, the rules were changed to allow individual Catholics to select other types of spirtual exercises, if they wished, to help sanctify the day of the week that Jesus died on the cross for us. Abstaining from meat on Fridays is still practiced by many.

Q: That the mass is officially a perpetual sacrifice,nullifying Christs perfect once and for all sacrifice?

A: Jesus IS the one time, once for all, eternal sacrifice for the sins of the world. When he becomes present for us on the altar at Mass, we Catholics are able to participate in the salvific and heroic act of God's total self giving for our salvation, who IS Christ personified, in a way that others can only try to imagine.

You're not too bright, are you?

Answer 3

The dogma of infallibility was proclaimed by the Vatican Council in 1870 over violent opposition from within the ranks of the Hierarchy itself. Prior to the assembly no less than 162 bishops signified they were opposed to the proclaiming of such a dogma, and after the assembly was called more than two months were consumed with heated debates over the issue. “Scarcely in any parliament have important matters ever been subjected to as much discussion as was the question of papal infallibility in the Vatican Council.”

Answer 4

i don't understand the basis of your question not only is the pope not infallible but the church has been purporting a vicious fallacy for about the last 2000 years the myth that the roman Governor Pilate offered the Jews a choice as to whom he would execute .this absurd assertion was designed to
take away the responsibility of Rome for their actions and at the same time place blame upon
the Jews for which they have been paying the price ever since.an atrocity worse in my opinion than even the evil Nazis.

Answer 5

I believe that the idea first appeared in the Creed of the Council of Trent (1564).

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According to Wikki, it was first defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1870, but it may have been kicked around before then,

Answer 6

He's not he happens to be human like the rest of us. As to when I have no idea but that's one reason I'm not a catholic. I happen to believe all man kind is a bunch of screw ups

Answer 7

They finally admited it at Vatican 2.

Burnt anyone suggesting it before this...
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Answer 8

i think u mean in-fellatio-able