What is your argument that God exists?

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Give me any argument that God exists and I will refute it.

"more than half the polulation of this planet thinks that god exists, do you think thay are all wrong and that you are right ?"

so your argument is that alot of people believe it's true so he must be real? A lot of people once believe that the Earth so flat, did that turn out to be true?

"My own direct personal experience...repeatedly.

Other than saying I am delusional or I don't know what my repeated experiences have been - you can't refute it."

you're right I cant because you didn't give me enough details.

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What would there be to argue? If God doesn't exists then there is nothing to argue, if He does exist you will know when you die, still nothing to argue. If you need to argue that God doesn't exist, then you just admitted there is a God to argue about. "

the God im arguing about is the God people created out of ignorance and delusion.

"god exists,because i have the need to become more perfect with each passing day and god therefore represents my destination as a perfect being. if god doesn't exist than i am unchanging and i can prove that i changed a lot since i was a child . . ."

actually the opposite is true. there is no such thing as 'you' no unchanging permanent self within your body. you are constantly changing, just like when you stick your foot in a flowing river, you are constantly coming into contact with new water.

"Isa. 40:22 There is One who is dwelling above THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze...""

this doesnt prove anything. the Bible was altered and revised many times.

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an object is pushed through the sky, what pushed the object? what pushed the object that pushed the object? this sequence cannot go on forever therefor we call the first pusher God."

to speculate that it cannot go on forever is an arugment made out of ignorance. you cannot say that life did not exist beyond a certain point. everything has a cause and effect, therefore it is impossible for their to be an uncaused cause or god.

"A changed life. You can't argue with that!"

i definitely can. people all the time make the argument that they are so much happier now that they believe. the real reason they are happier is because they changed their viewpoint and attitude.

"If there is no God, then Cho Seung-Hui risked nothing in murdering 33 people. If there is a God, then he WILL still face the ultimate judgement.

If you truly believe that there is no God and that this life is all there is, then what keeps you from doing whatever the heck you want to do? What is the worst punishment you could face? Death penalty? Why would you care? You're only going to cease to exist, right?"

no. this must be a shock to you, but there are other views out there besides just christianity and atheism. i believe that evil leads to suffering and a good life is the only way to happiness. think about it. i also believe a person is reborn until they destroy their ignorance and conquer themselves.

"That to me is the proof that you believe God exists. You just refuse to acknowledge what you know deep inside. You're a real tuff guy, huh? "

lol. how ignorant of you to make a statement like that when you know nothing about me at all.

""For a believer, no proof is necessary ... For a skeptic, no proof is sufficient"

right because, for a "believer" all that is necessary is blind faith.

"Though no one can prove or disprove God's existence, our history reveals the unmistakable footprints of something greater than man."

such as what?

"If God created the universe, then He created time along with matter and space. If God created time, then He is outside of time and doesn’t need a beginning."

1. this is pure speculation.

2. you absolutely *cannot* postulate that something can exist without a beginning, to do so is simply hilarious.

Answer 1

Here is one of about 10 good arguments for the existence of God: The Cosmological Argument. The argument is simply this: The cosmos is here and must be explained as to how it got here.

This argument is using the law of cause and effect, which states: Every effect must have a preceding and adequate cause. What does it mean by adequate? Well, the building didn’t collapse because a mosquito landed on it. The tsunami didn’t hit because someone threw a pebble into the ocean.

Now, when it comes to explaining the existence of the universe, you only get three possibilities: (1) the universe is eternal (it has always been here), (2) the universe created itself, or (3) something created the universe. There is no other possibility except to claim that the universe is simply an illusion and does not exist—but I don’t think you would buy that. So let’s examine these three possibilities to see which is the most reasonable.

First, is the universe eternal? Absolutely not. We know this is true because of the universally recognized second law of Thermodynamics (the law of energy decay or entropy). This law states that everything goes downhill from order to disorder, more usable energy to less. This law is the reason why heat flows from hot to cold and why this building will fall apart if it is not kept up with. If someone doesn’t believe in the second law of thermodynamics, just challenge them to live forever; even with this awesome machinery we have in our bodies, you will eventually wear out and die.

We can see that the universe is running down and wearing out; the stars are burning up, the radioactive atoms are decaying, etc. As Psalm 102:26 says, the heavens “will wear out like a garment.” Given enough time, the universe will experience what some call a “heat death” where there is maximum entropy; every part of the universe will be the same temperature, and no further work will be possible (speaking of energy transfer); all energy will be evenly distributed.

Eternal things obviously do not wear out because they would have had an infinite amount of time to come to their end. Since you cannot have an end without a beginning, the universe must have had a beginning. Evolutionary astronomer Dr. Robert Jastrow said, “Now three lines of evidence—the motions of the galaxies, the laws of thermodynamics, the life story of the stars—pointed to one conclusion; all indicated that the Universe had a beginning.” And everything that has a beginning has a cause. This building had a beginning, you had a beginning, therefore there must have been a preceding and adequate cause.

The evolutionists know this and so they came up with the “big bang” theory from that “cosmic egg” (the universe exploded into existence). But there is still a major problem—you have to explain where that “cosmic egg” came from. As it has been said, “There must be a cosmic chicken.”

Some scientists like Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov proposed the oscillating universe theory to avoid a beginning. This theory states that the universe acts like a yo-yo; it explodes and then gravity pulls it back in, and then the process repeats itself over and over. But the second law of Thermodynamics still refutes that idea, since each cycle would exhaust more and more usable energy. The universe is not eternal!

Ok, that brings us to the second possibility: Did the universe create itself? I think Hebrews 3:4 answers that pretty well, “...every house is built by someone...” Let’s say I walk into my livingroom and see a crayon drawing of our family on the wall. When I ask my daughter where it came from, will I accept her answer of, “It just appeared there; it came from nothing”? Her grandparents might, but I won’t.

It is pretty clear that something cannot bring itself into existence. As R.C. Sproul has said, “It is impossible for something to create itself. The concept of self-creation is a contradiction in terms, a nonsense statement . . . It would have to have the causal power of being before it was. It would have to have the power of being before it had any being with which to exercise that power.” As it has been said, “Nothing scratched its head one day and decided to become something.” I’m sorry to have to drop this bombshell on you, but from nothing, comes nothing.

Besides, the First Law of Thermodynamics (the law of energy conservation) argues against it. The First Law of Thermodynamics states that in a closed system (without a God, this Universe would have to be a closed system) the amount of energy present in that system is constant (it cannot be created or destroyed), it can only be converted from one form to another. So, if the Universe initially contained no energy, and then it spontaneously generated all of the energy in the Universe, the First Law would be violated. Without intervention from an outside force, the amount of energy in the Universe would have remained constant and unchanged at zero.

And now the third possibility: Did something create the universe? If the universe is not eternal and could not have created itself, then the only remaining alternative is that the universe was created by something or Someone. This would have to be a transcendent, eternal, self-existing being. I can find only one satisfactory explanation to our conundrum, and that is found in Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”

Someone may argue, “If the universe needs a cause, then why doesn’t God need a cause; who created God?” The answer is, everything that has a beginning has a cause; God, unlike the universe, did not have a beginning. Time is linked to matter and space (as we can see from Einstein’s general relativity). If God created the universe, then He created time along with matter and space. If God created time, then He is outside of time and doesn’t need a beginning.

What is more absurd, to believe that God Created everything out of nothing or that nothing turned itself into everything? The fact is, we live in a Universe that is an effect. There must be a preceding and adequate cause for it. The only thing that makes sense is a Creator who is more powerful than anything we can imagine.

I have to agree with Lord Kelvin (the Father of Thermodynamics) who said, “Do not be afraid of being free thinkers! If you think strongly enough you will be forced by science to the belief in God, which is the foundation of all religion. You will find science not antagonistic but helpful to religion.”

Answer 2

If there is no God, then Cho Seung-Hui risked nothing in murdering 33 people. If there is a God, then he WILL still face the ultimate judgement.

If you truly believe that there is no God and that this life is all there is, then what keeps you from doing whatever the heck you want to do? What is the worst punishment you could face? Death penalty? Why would you care? You're only going to cease to exist, right?

That to me is the proof that you believe God exists. You just refuse to acknowledge what you know deep inside. You're a real tuff guy, huh?

Answer 3

Remember when we learned in school that most people at one time believed the earth was flat? Here's something to think about. The oldest book in history- God's Word- had the truth all along.

Isa. 40:22 There is One who is dwelling above THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze..."

Answer 4

no real argument here, i believe because i do. the same way i trust that the sun will rise in the morning and set at night. i know God to exist the same way i know Love and Hope exist.

if you need a more philisophical point of view hows this:

an object is pushed through the sky, what pushed the object? what pushed the object that pushed the object? this sequence cannot go on forever therefor we call the first pusher God.

Answer 5

It's impossible to scientifically prove God's existence, just as it's impossible to use science to deny Him (no matter what science finds, the fact that it contradicts the Bible doesn't necessarily disprove a divine being... just a certain perception of one). The two ways of describing the universe (scientific and religious) are so massively different from one another they'll never reach a consensus... therefore the only truly logical path is agnosticism.

Answer 6

RESPECTABLE FRIEND;
God does not exist...it is just the base of those who were feared from light and dark in the starting of life,,,,,,,,,,and the imposed on us this matter forever......and too as a human being every one has some kinds of fears........according to psychology if we do not take believe in any thing that it would be alright then we will die..........we will go mad.............
seeing the need of human mind to get a console in the times of hardship we build god,,,,,,
It is just exist there and live with one who ...
has fear may be the fear of any kind..................
so if we see in the sense of human psychology then god exists in their way........but if we see it in reality for just a good reason then it is not more then the fact that it is just for those who need something to believe.................

Answer 7

Logic.

You can never refute the existence of God, you can only disagree. Your refusal to agree with Him and what He says about Himself, will never make Him cease to exist.

I really don't give a rip what you say anyway, I just plant seeds. The Holy Spirit is the One who can break through the hardened exterior of your heart, not me.

God loves you and so do I.


One more seed planted....I move on.

Answer 8

god exists,because i have the need to become more perfect with each passing day and god therefore represents my destination as a perfect being. if god doesn't exist than i am unchanging and i can prove that i changed a lot since i was a child . . .

Answer 9

Case for Faith~ Lee Strobel
Case for a Creator~ Lee Strobel
More than a Carpenter~ Josh Mcdowell

Also, through personal experience. He is an awesome God and what we need is to come back and let Him help us. Here is my argument, He has helped me, and gotten me through all things. No use to refute it, I know what I have been through, He reigns and has been there and helped me. Now you can try to tell me what you think happened. But it all is about what you think, and what I know.

Answer 10

miracles at fatima, lordes, san girbaldi, stigmata, the fact that drugs, and so many other good tasting, feeling, things have so many negative side effects (obvious signs of temptation) why a strong force like a hurricane still has a distince purpose? why crawfish tastes so good? Why some Nde's have very strange details?