Are 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus forgeries?

Question

When I recently mentioned that ! Timothy was MOST LIKELY* a forgery i was challenged because I did not provide a link and the reader was to tired to research it for himself. So, with time on my hands this morning, here are two links to that and a lot more about the bible some people will not want to know.

*people seem to miss these qualifiers

http://www.holyconspiracy.com/archives/paul.htm

http://home.inu.net/skeptic/epistles.html

everydaycatholic: And you don't consider your church's opinion some what slanted? Independent scholars say, "forgeries."

Answer 1

Mark 16:9-20 Has never been part of what was written in the Ancient manuscript. This is to add to what you think is a forgery.
Revelation 22:21 This is the only chapter in the Old and New Testaments that the word AMEN was twiced used.
Actually, even if Timothy is a forgery, there is something that says that may prove celibacy among priest is not healthy.
Timothy 3:5 If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?
Was this printed for the Protestants or for all Christians including Catholics?
Isn't the whole Christianity a forgery itself?

Answer 2

From the Introduction found in the new American Bible (catholic):

From the late second century to the nineteenth, Pauline authorship of the three Pastoral Epistles went unchallenged. Since then, the attribution of these letters to Paul has been questioned. Most scholars are convinced that Paul could not have been responsible for the vocabulary and style, the concept of church organization, or the theological expressions found in these letters. A second group believes, on the basis of statistical evidence, that the vocabulary and style are Pauline, even if at first sight the contrary seems to be the case. They state that the concept of church organization in the letters is not as advanced as the questioners of Pauline authorship hold since the notion of hierarchical order in a religious community existed in Israel before the time of Christ, as evidenced in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Finally, this group sees affinities between the theological thought of the Pastorals and that of the unquestionably genuine letters of Paul. Other scholars, while conceding a degree of validity to the positions mentioned above, suggest that the apostle made use of a secretary who was responsible for the composition of the letters. A fourth group of scholars believes that these letters are the work of a compiler, that they are based on traditions about Paul in his later years, and that they include, in varying amounts, actual fragments of genuine Pauline correspondence.

Rod, if the Catholic Church was so opposed to these letters, why did they include them in the Bible when they put it together?

Answer 3

"Forgeries" interior the experience that they weren't extremely written by using Paul? i'm asking that because of the fact the classic international seems to have had a various theory of the assumption; it is not completely sparkling that letters written interior the character of somebody renowned have been continually meant to lie to. an exceedingly noteworthy 5th-century mystic had a significant writing occupation utilising the call Dionysius the Areopagite, a minor character from the 1st-century activities interior the e book of Acts. (Pseudo-Dionysius grew to become into one in all those fulfillment that the particularly some 5th-century letters utilising that call have been curiously written by using imitators.) besides, i think of there is little question the Pastorals weren't written by using Paul. They show little or no of Paul's theology or writing form, and that they handle themes that throughout the time of all risk did no longer upward push up interior the church until eventually after his dying. Titus is maximum merely rejected on the inspiration of a million:12-13. First, Paul grew to become into properly adequate versed in Greek philosophical notions that he might on no account make the blunders of taking the classic occasion of the "Liar's Paradox" at face fee. 2nd, whether he did, I doubt he might have gratuitously insulted an entire budding Christian congregation in that way. The Pastorals merely do no longer study like Paul's different epistles; they study like they have been written by using somebody else. the main convincingly Pauline bit in any of them is two Timothy 4:6--and it seems to be an on the spot crib from Philippians 2:17. by the type, there are different letters for which Paul's authorship is somewhat puzzled by using scholars: 2 Thessalonians, Ephesians, and Colossians. i do no longer discover the arguments over those almost as sparkling; that could recommend they're better imitations, or they're extremely his. i'm no longer expert adequate (or in any respect!) in Koine Greek to have an opinion. i'm no longer asserting the doubted letters are without fee. they're lined interior the canon because of the fact, whether or no longer they have been extremely Paul's, they expressed innovations the early church chanced on useful.

Answer 4

Hello, Dr.

First of all, I'd like to say that I read through these sites and have been perusing the reading list some.

With that said, I have to say,

"Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

I like being a sheep...lol...I hope it doesn't began to rain without someone nearby to make sure I come in out of it.


*Aside*
If we always search for inconsistencies - that is what we will find. If we always search for truth - that is what we will find.

Have a great day - ttys!

Answer 5

Horse crap. The only people that would be against these brilliant Epistles would be the Catholic Church.They go against celibacy of the clergy.

Answer 6

Interesting discussion!

Answer 7

Paul was a forgery. He never met Jesus. Yet he claimed to see Jesus' hologram and claimed Jesus appointed him to tell us Jesus' mission here on Earth.

Answer 8

no