are these your strongest arguments?Feel free to substantiate them?

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Social services-related costs
Well,immigrants don't use public services the way you think The great majority HAVE Social Security taxes deducted from their paycheckst and the employers withhold income taxes, and they usually don't send their kids to the US schools.Most of them never used unemployment compensation.

Significant changes in the racial and ethnic. composition of the USA?
Most of them don't intend to settle permanenly.

Irredentism ?
No real threat whatsoever.Immigrants don't endorse such 'plans,they are too busy trying to make a buck.Chicano-like movements,Aztlan La Raza and other more clandestine organisations have been around since the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and they aren't supported by the Mexican state.The great majority of the Mexicans,wether legal or illegal,find such claims stupid ,unrealistic and false.

Are Americans loosing jobs to illegal Mx workers?Aren't they fillin'a gap?Most citizens would rather live on wellfare than do menial job

.Sabrina and y'all,LEGAL,my point is that it should be legal.This way the phenomenom will be 99% under control.
Hey,contrary to popular conception, illegal immigrants generally aren't entitled to government benefits,so they aren't living on handsout.Legal immigrants ain't entitled to wellfare within the first 5 years either.The vast majority the legal immigrants who have come into the country since then are not eligible for Social Security, food stamps, or Medicaid unless and until they become naturalized citizens.

I don't think ANYONE is'pro-illegal' ,not even the undocumented(they wish they were legal).One can be pro/anti-immigration(wether legal or not),pro/anti-amnesty etc.

I would be at my happiest if the situation solved favorably to both sidesThank you for taking the discussion seriously and sparing me the stereotyped offences.
I'm by no mean the ultimate transmitter of truths type and I'm ready to analize whatever data.
I'm just very very saddened by all this.Some good people will suffer the collateral impacts and the whole crap is projected on subsequently projected onto a basically great culture and maybe an entire race

I would be at my happiest if the situation solved favorably to both sidesThank you for taking the discussion seriously and sparing me the stereotyped offences.
I'm by no mean the ultimate transmitter of truths type and I'm ready to analize whatever data.
I'm just very very saddened by all this.Some good people will suffer the collateral impacts and the whole crap is projected on subsequently projected onto a basically great culture and maybe an entire race

what do you think of this for instance www.dallasfed.org/research/swe/2003/swe0306a.html.

anyways,a rational pros/cons discussion is always better than the typical stupid scandal
Thanks

what do you think of this for instance www.dallasfed.org/research/swe/2003/swe0306a.html.

anyways,a rational pros/cons discussion is always better than the typical stupid scandal
Thanks

what do you think of this for instance www.dallasfed.org/research/swe/2003/swe0306a.html.

anyways,a rational pros/cons discussion is always better than the typical stupid scandal
Thanks

what do you think of this for instance www.dallasfed.org/research/swe/2003/swe0306a.html.

anyways,a rational pros/cons discussion is always better than the typical stupid scandal
Thanks

Thank you,PRINCESS,for the INSULT.See,that's what I was talking about.
I am not an 'allien" and I am not vitally interested in polemizing against ignorance and sheer hatred,ma'am.Again,thank you,kind lady

Thank you,PRINCESS,for the INSULT.See,that's what I was talking about.
I am not an 'allien" and I am not vitally interested in polemizing against ignorance and sheer hatred,ma'am.Again,thank you,kind lady

Thank you,PRINCESS,for the INSULT.See,that's what I was talking about.
I am not an 'allien" and I am not vitally interested in polemizing against ignorance and sheer hatred,ma'am.Again,thank you,kind lady

sorry,people for the accidental multiple postings,can't figure it out.Thank you for your answers

Answer 1

You have made one of the biggest mistakes of this particular issue by not distinguishing between illegal and legal immigrants. By and large immigrants conduct themselves in accordance with federal, state and local laws. illegals on the other hand break laws of all of those jurisdictions at will and continue to do so until caught. If America has to fill a gap in the work force the jobs should go those who abide by the law and conduct themselves with a degree of civic responsibility that is other wise is completely disregarded by illegals. It really isn't up to Americans or legal immigrants to present an argument so that illegals understand why they are being deported, they know exactly why.

Answer 2

While I agree with most of what you say, I think there is a need to balance both points of view.

Where I live it is rare to see a immigrant, illegal or legal on welfare. But from what other answerers say, there are areas where this is common.

Where I live, many immigrants are well paid in the construction industry, making at least $10 per hour and some are in a union making upwards of $25 per hour. The contractors hire the illegals because they work hard and don't complain and although they make a good wage, it is much less than a unionized US worker or contractor would demand. Many women clean homes at $100 per home cash and clean two to five per day. Many own homes, new cars and have thousands of dollars in the bank. But a few hours south of us, they are picking crops and cutting chickens for $7 or less they don't own a home or a car and are barely getting by.

I would agree that most do not intend to settle permanently, but that is where the problem comes in. Many do not respect the US as a sovereign nation, they think of it as a place to get money. Many do not try to learn English because they don't plan to stay, they do not try to integrate themselves in the culture because they don't have to. Their population is so large, they can choose to respect the culture or not.

There is an element of arrogance and disrespect there that a lot of people are picking up on. The marches are an example. No matter how you try to soften it up, you have a large group of people who have no right to be here but who want to be allowed to stay. Do they ask nicely? No, they wave flags from their home countries and demand things they have no legal right to have. That kind of grand scale show of arrogance scares some, infuriates others. Before they did that, you could argue that they are these humble people who just want to come to work and go home. People can sympathize with that. Now people just want them out.

Sorry to say, the movement hung itself with arrogance.

Answer 3

They usually don't send their kids to US schools?

You lost me right there. In areas where they concentrate huge portions of public school student bodies are illegal or children of illegal immigrants. There may be many who don't 'yet' have family there, but they are degrading education for our own children as a class, and we are the ones having to foot the bill.

Their cost, even after you add in all taxes paid, is huge.

We limit how many poor people can come specifically because poor people pay little in taxes, and the rest of us have to pay to educate their children and fund their services. For our own people this is one thing, but funding foreigners who broke our laws, thinking their children should come before ours, and that we should pay for it, is a very different situation.

The wages are falling to the point where they no longer support a family due to the vastly increased 'competition' from illegals for jobs. We see how it has changed, and you can use all the words you want to pretend it hasn't, but we know better.

And more immigrants use social services than native born. Look it up. There is a feeling that it is 'shameful' here. People cross the border pregnant and walk into hospitals to claim free child birth services as their very first act in this country. Children of illegals DO collect food stamps and allow thier families to obtain aid. I have read the statistics, and I suggest you look them up. They aren't hard to find.

However the burden on our schools and health care is the biggest problem, in my book.

Answer 4

You do not base your statements on facts. Here are some facts for you on the REAL cost of illegals in America.

http://www.house.gov/garymiller/IllegalsCost2005.html

And, oh, by the way, YES -- it is very much irredentism. Look, however politically incorrect it may sound, I hold it as self-evident truth that every nation has a right to define itself culturally: Mexico, China, Sweden -- whatever.

If I choose to emmigrate to Mexico it's my obligation to conform to Mexican culture, not the other way around. I have no right to demand that the Mexican taxpayers fork out more money to educate my children in English; and yet immigrants make these demands on the U.S.. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. The bottom line of any nation is its language. I've lived in both Canada and Belgium, and I've witnessed firsthand how language creates barriers that ultimately undo the ideals of national unity.

Why does every other nationality on earth have the right to demand respect for its culture except the US? Why is it racist or xenophobic, or chauvinistic for Americans to say, "we respect culture -- yours and ours. We don't walk into your home and tell you how to paint your walls or arrange your furniture, so why do you feel you have the right to do this to us?"

I don't think of that as xenophobic. I think of that as common sense.

Answer 5

The Watchtower does no longer might want to lie. If it suggested that the Bible scholars pointed to 1914, for 38 years previous to that aspect, because the 365 days even as the Gentile circumstances might want to end, then it truly is what they did. you may monetary employer on it. Do the maths. Thirty-8 years before 1914 replaced into 1876. What did the Bible scholars put up in 1876? In October, 1876 Charles Taze Russell, who were elected pastor of the Allegheny, Pennsylvania Bible scholars, printed the article, "Gentile circumstances -- even as Do They end." on the on the spot, lower than the influene of Nelson H. Barbour, the Bible scholars widely used the preparation that pointed to "1914 because the date which will mark the authentic of Gentile circumstances." -- "Charles Taze Russell: His existence and circumstances, the guy, the Millenium and the Message," with the help of Fredrick Zydek (Winthrop Press, Connecticut, January 2010), pages 40 9, 50. Zydek is an wonderful secular biographer who isn't one of Jehovah's Witnesses. besides the undeniable fact that, an analogous counsel might want to be discovered contained in the e book, "Jehovah's Witnesses: Proclaimers of God's Kingdom," a Witness e-e book, on pages 134 and one hundred thirty 5. as well, Russell and Barbour printed the e book, "3 Worlds, and the Harvest of This international," the very next 365 days (1877), also pointing to 1914 because the authentic of the Gentile circumstances. Likewise, The Watchtower mag in December 1879 and July 1880 directed interest to 1914, and in 1889 quantity 2 of Russell's "study contained in the Scriptures" stated 1914 on the concern of "the circumstances of the Gentiles."

Answer 6

Somebody else already did a lot of work to back up all statistics. So I won't bore you all with those facts.

ESL classes (English as a second language) is for students who do not speak English. The majority of the students in those classes are Spanish speaking. However, these classes cost money and that money comes from the taxpayers. The schools do not ask if the students have green cards. In addition, if the child was born in the US, then they are automatically a citizen, even if born to Illegal parents. So they end up on welfare and some type of free medical insurance. They all send their children to school, because any child not in school is cause for alarm and possibly claims of child abuse. You don't see children working the fields anymore.

Then the criminal justice system. In California, INS contracts with various county jails to house illegal aliens prior to deportation. Illegals charged with a crime cannot be deported until they are cleared of charges. The Mexicans will be arrested and a large majority of them are arrested for drinking, drugs, assaults, and spousal abuse. When they are arrested, they are asked for a name, so they give one. It is not until they are brought into the jail and fingerprinted that it is discovered they might have 10 different aliases. Then once in jail, their stay may range anywhere from a day to months depending on the crime. If INS deports them, they are picked up and taken to the deportation jail within 3 days. At the deportation jail, they may have a week's wait before being taken to the border. The sad part is they will be back within a week, unless they have charges facing them if they return.

The health system is abused. When I worked at a Los Angeles County Hospital we were not supposed to treat illegals. However, we were not allowed to ask for green cards. So the number of illegals we treated were enomous. The women who were pregnant would come up and wait outside the hospital until they were almost ready to deliever, because we could not turn them away. That way their child was born in the US and was a citizen. Then the mom could stay and be on welfare because she had no job and a new infant. In the small CA. town where I lived before moving to where I now live, my son (white, young male) injured himself and required sutures. He had no job, just finished college, no health insurance, and was looking for work. The ER suggested he try and get medicare (free/reduced healthcare in CA). He went over to the office in the small town. They could NOT find the required forms in English. However, they had tons of the forms in Spanish, posters on the walls in Spanish, and EVERYONE in the office spoke Spanish because ALL of their clients were Mexican. He was tuerned down. I truly believe that if he had been Mexican, he would have gottent he coverage. In addition, because I was the nurse at the jail, I would require past medical records on the inmates because of their medical condition. They would tell me what doctor they saw. So I would have them fill out the required form to get records and send it to the doctor. The doctor's office would call and say no such person. So I would get the inmate back into my office and ask him/her what name did he/she really use at the doctor's office. It would turn out that he/she would have used one of their relative's names that had medicare or health insurance and this person I was checking on was actually illegal.

Where I now live, the business owners are not allowed to hire illegals. However, the County Office will send day workers out to the orchards and farms and they will send out illegals. Yet the owner can't hire the illegals. But he can't ask for their green card because that would be discrimination. In addition, the fake green cards look real and how is an employer supposed to know the difference when the issuing office can't tell the difference?

Your comment "Significant changes in the racial and ethnic. composition of the USA? Most of them don't intend to settle permanenly." I think that is the problem. If they don't plan to settle then the guest worker program is a good choice. Once again referring in the small CA town, the Mexican population compared to the Caucasion population was 48%-52% . That is a huge change in a county of 18,000. In addition, the illegal migration is moving into states that traditionally have not had to deal with such issues. As the Southern states (CA, AZ, TX, NM) resources get used up, the illegals will move north and east.

In addition, since they have no desire to settle here permanently, they have no desire to learn our ways, to learn English, and to respect our laws. As far as they are concerned we are the jar of candy to take from as they please.

The Mexicans are hard workers and, yes, they are willing to do work that many Americans would not do for a LOWER wage than American citizens would be willing to do the job. Yet, did you know that the Mexicans picking pears in Oregon are getting 10.00/hour? Not bad!!! Would you be willing to work for that? I would be willing to pay a bit more for an item and have it done by an American in America. I won't go into my walfare rant! :)

Answer 7

We don't have the same ilegal problem in Canada you do but we do have a lot of the same problems associated with imigration you do.

There are a lot of jobs that imigrants will do that Canadians just won't and for a price Canadians won't accept -

I am not sure what to say other than that - it is a problem

Answer 8

No, the issue is now the majority of illegals want the country to change for them (i.e.-a Spanish National Anthem). They are a burden onour social system, without paying into it.

I will agree, they have not taken any jobs...picking strawberries in Fresno was never my dream job.

Answer 9

Yes, I happen to agree with what you say. I think most immigrants, even the illegal ones, contribute far more to the U.S. economy then they take out.

I'm not sure what the big deal is over immigration, and why it's such a hot issue. I guess the right wingers need as many reasons as possible to keep people scared.

Thanks for taking the time to construct a real argument and not just think of it as a chance to shout "f*** whitey!!!" like so many people do.

Answer 10

are you talking about americans wanting to be on welfare cause if you are dont start what u cant finish i know many mexicans in my area and they are all on some kind of state assistance wether food stamps money medicare wic they get it all.if i walked in there tomarrow they would laugh in my face and tell my to beg on the damn street cornor.so ya better listen to yourself before u start this damn war