It's really obvious that eating meat is a natural thing to do and God created us this way (as he had created other species that eat flesh by instinct).I also have read in a book (that isn't about the morality of killing for a living, it was just an example) that studies have been made that show that in order for this whole SYSTEM (life on Earth) to work this constant killing needs to happen. Certain percentages of species need to die, in order for equilibrium to exist SO this is how the world is made! If You disagree, You disagree with the Divinity(whichever it is) so I guess in order to be true to yourself You either consider Yourself smarter or more moral than God, or go by the rule "my happiness by all costs" and than You can't be seen as an agreeable person by most people. The third choice (that most of the people make) is "my specie is the only one that counts at all" although what parts us from animals is just a matter of rank -we are fortunate enough to be no1.Counterarguments..
2006-09-05
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Well, I'm glad I created a fuss. For the ones that gave "you're an idiot" kind of answer, I have to say that I have post this question in order to get some coherent counterarguments that might change my point of view, not for You assholes (I mean the ones that gave short injurious answers) to feel good about Yourselves. For the other ones, thank You for Your generous replies, unfortunately I haven't had time to read all of them (+the links) yet, so I can't say If any was convincing, nor to select a "best answer", so I guess I’ll let the public decide, anyway that's not imp. Thank You again for Your feedback. (PS: many answers were based on the Bible, but they don't mean much to me since I consider the Bible a supposition, not doubtless facts. When I said "God" I meant in the most generic sense: creator and ruler of the world we live in. no additional attributes.)
2006-09-11
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No, it doesn't. It means that you don't eat meat. That's an incredibly large leap to take to say that.
2006-09-05 04:10:16
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answered by Justsyd 7
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What the Bible says about Vegetarians
Acts 10:9-13
Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Romans 14:2
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
1 Timothy 4:1-3
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils ... commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
2006-09-09 12:43:59
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answered by ? 6
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Well your point is interesting, and you are correct in saying that there is a need for some animals to be culled, but a lot has changed over the hundreds of thousands of years man has roamed the earth.. we have now domesticated our livestock, so we have artificially created larger numbers of livestock.. in the wild we would not have the numbers of chickens or cows that we have, we would in fact have more predators if the numbers were as high in the wild as they are in the farms.. with all that food, natural predators would have a healthier survival rate possibly putting us on the menu, so culling on our part would not be necessary..this is where your argument falls a little short for me.
I do believe man is supposed to eat meat, I don't give a **** if others don't eat it.. I just wonder about the moral high ground that vegetarians take. It is not a healthier choice, and there is no convincing them, but it is my feeling, the world would be better off with a lot fewer vegetarians, so let them eat cake. Non dairy of course...lol
2006-09-10 18:40:28
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answered by oneblondepilgrim 6
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Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but that isn't how I feel at all. I am a vegetarian, and I am also religious. I do not thinkg I am above God or smarter than him. And the idea that for life to sustain itself properly, populations of all species need to be kept at a certain level is agreeable. I just choice not to eat meat. It doesn't taste very good to me. And if you ask me, there are wayyy more people who eat eat than don't, and I think that is the way it will be for a long time. So what is the harm if some people don't eat meat because of beliefs or preferences?? I don't think that is "my happiness at all costs."
2006-09-05 05:30:39
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answered by Amy J 4
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Yes, you are wrong. I'm an agostic, but personally, whenever I think of what God is supposed to be, I cannot conceive that such an entity can be good and yet consider the unnecessary killing and exploitation of other species by humans to be "OK". If God really exists and is the creator of all life, then I think we should respect all of that creation and all of those lives. Animals lead their own lives for themselves if humans don't interfere, therefore it makes no sense to say that animals were put here for us to use to our advantage and for our consumption. Personally, if I had to choose between being a vegetarian or adhering to a religion that says it's OK and natural for us to kill animals, I'd choose vegetarianism, because the other option would be selfish and deny to the world the positive effects of vegetarianism.
There're several religions that support vegetarianism while defending the existance of God, but if it's a christian context you want, here are two sites you can visit that support vegetarianism based on christian beliefs, completely disproving your notion:
http://www.jesusveg.com/index2.html
http://www.all-creatures.org/cva/
2006-09-05 08:15:38
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answered by Ricardo P 3
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If we rarely ate meat and didn't "pave paradise" we might see an over-abundance of wild animals. Then perhaps the Ksatriya or warrior class could kill some animals to keep the population down and learn the art of killing needed for their occupation.
However, nowadays, we have factory farming and slaughter house. This is cruel, inhumane, senseless and in complete ignorance of the soul that exists in all beings. Consequently, we wind up out of touch with our own souls and thereby given to cruelty towards our fellow human beings.
Check this following site for specific arguments presented on the bases of the Christian perspective.
The Salad Bar by Christian Vegetarians
http://www.all-creatures.org/recipestsb.html
2006-09-05 06:33:43
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answered by devotionalservice 4
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Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days, he broke bread with his disciples, he fed the mulititude with fish from the sea. I don't think it is going against God's divinity to be a vegetarian as most of the nutrients found in vegetables are those from meat. What do the animals eat, vegetables like grains etc. so what is your problem, go have a salad but put some bar b qued chicken on mine.
2006-09-05 04:16:17
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answered by Mr. PDQ 4
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I even have made it a evaluate my rants to for sure differentiate. I even have argued that there is a God, and that it may desire to be the two a monotheistic God or a polytheistic gods with one God stronger to each and all of the others. Pantheistic gods only do not artwork in my clarification, using fact they might purely exist so long using fact the universe existed and can could desire to give up to exist while the universe ceases to exist. Deistic gods additionally do not make sense, using fact the completed argument for the life of God based on the complexity of the universe hinges on the direct and continual involvement of the deity interior the form of the universe. this would not teach Christianity, in spite of the shown fact that it does narrow down the concepts extensively. If we are to anticipate that one group has arise with the suited answer, then it is the two a monotheistic or polytheistic faith. Seeing as this God would possibly not likely enable the religion that worships him precise to be fullyyt worn out, I decrease fee any historic faith it is now not practiced. it is likewise a extensively old faith, with roots back to the earliest recorded history, for the comparable reason--the God might desire his creation to worship him. This actually leaves Christianity, Islam, and Judaism using fact the three significant contenders; Judaism being between the main historic of religions, and the different 2 being offspring of it. And of those 3, Christianity (a minimum of to me) seems the main possibly. So no, the life of God would not immediately recommend Christianity is real, in spite of the shown fact that it rather whittles away the different concepts.
2016-10-01 08:21:59
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answered by lutz 4
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Human beings have not been a normal part of the ecosystem for a long, long time. Your argument is that constant killing has to happen to keep populations in check, but that fails to take into account that we're not hunting wild animals for our food; rather, we're responsible for breeding the animals we're killing and eating. It doesn't at all address the equilibrium you're referring to. Plus, when we *were* hunting wild game as a matter of course, we tended to hunt to near-extinction (bison, for example.) Also not exactly contributing to the equilibrium. Meat-eating as humans tend to practice it is at best an artificial part of the circle of life, so not eating it can hardly cause any additional damage to God's grand plan.
2006-09-05 08:28:05
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answered by mockingbird 7
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I don't think your assumption is correct. We are also born naked and choose to wear clothes but that doesn't mean we are going against God or nature. Eating meat is a natural thing, but so is having a vegetarian diet. We are omnivorous mammals so we have the ability to choose either of both diets. Eating only flesh, on the other hand, would be a bit unnatural, because our bodies weren't built (teeth stomach, etc.) to sustain such a diet.
2006-09-05 04:17:19
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answered by Pedro ST 4
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You are wrong because God prefer that everyone is a vegetarian than people who eat meat. If you must eat meat than eat the meat that God has said to be clean and the King James Version will tell you which ones.
2006-09-06 20:33:35
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answered by 111 3
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