JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES what do you say to these verses?

Question

-- the Jesus of the Bible cannot be
another "god" because God says
there is only ONE - Isa. 43:10-11
-- the Jesus of the Bible cannot be
an angel, he is contrasted against
the angels - Heb. 1:3-8
-- Jesus is not a creation, but the
Creator... the word "other" has been
inserted four times in this passage
of the JW "bible" - Col. 1:16-17

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Answer 1

How long have you got?



I agree Shane, that's why I gave a sarcastic response lol

Answer 2

1) God / god

Please explain to Paul why he is wrong at 1 Cor 8:6
Please explain to Paul why he is wrong at 2 Cor 4:4
Please explain to Jehovah why he is wrong at Ps 82:6

2) Angels / Angel

Angel literally means "messenger"

The title "Word" of God literally means that Jesus is the Spokesman or Messenger of God.

Heb 1:3-8 is telling us that As God's representation (image) Jesus is the greatest of God's messengers.

3) Other:

The greek word used to discribe Jesus' role at Col 1:16 is that of a "Channel"

In the expression: "The message came by messenger"

We know that the message did not origniate with the messenger.

In the context and grammar of Col 1:15 -17,

We learn that Jesus is

Is the image of God (Not God)

And that he is the Firstborn of all creation. (Not God)

Since he is the Firstborn, and all (other) things came through him, He can not be God.

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Answer 3

Then your bible lies when call all the sons of God "gods" in Psalms 82:6 so if that is a lie the neverthing is a lie and you have no argument to discuss, can you prove me with the bible that the sons of God are not gods? No ... then you statement is false...

By the way why if Jesus is not the chief of the angels why he was with the angels if he doesn´t belong to that group why God called from them? I mean if I am a man normally I am in company of people of my same sex and my same enviroment

Answer 4

The bible is Jehovah's witness and Jesus is the greatest witness Rev.1:1-3; 3:14;

THE WORD OF THE WORD

John 20:17 [ the God and Father of Jesus is our God and Father ]; Jesus ascended to God's right hand. Acts 2:27-35; 7:55,56; Matt.22:42-44; Psm.110:1; Rom.8:34; Col.3:1; Heb.1:1-13;12:2; Isa.9:6,7; 1Pet.3:22; John 17:1-26; Jesus prays to his Father, he was with God before the world was.

TO LOVE JESUS IS TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENT HE GAVE

Matt.22:37-40 [ the first and great commandment ];
Matt.3:16 [ The God and Father of Jesus says that Jesus is his son ];
Matt.4:1-11; 2Cor.4:3,4; Satan as world god, want Jesus to worship him.
Matt.6:9-13 [ the Lord's prayer ]; John 3:13-17 [ Jesus ascended ]; John 14:13,14,28 [ Pray to the God and Father Psm.83:18; of Jesus in Jesus name, 16:23,26 ];
Matt.16:16 [ Jesus is the son of the living God ];

TIME OF THE END

Matt.24:3 [ the end of the world and the sign of the 2nd coming of Jesus ];
7 [ after major wars as WW1 when bible is age 303 years in the world, bible age 334 at end of WW2 & holocaust, bible age 363 at end of Vietnam conflict, bible 380, 391, 396 at Euphrares area conflict ]; 14 [ the second coming of Jesus is to be made known in the whole world ], 15 [ Daniel year 3460 plus Dan.12:1-13; Michael in the time of the end, 2520 yrs to Rev.12:3,4,6-11,12; Michael, THE WORD & Satan's short time in the time of the end ]; 21,22,36-39 [ Jesus prophecy for time of the end ]; 25:31-34 [ the sheep are separated from the goat ]; Dan.12:1-12 [ 2x 1335 = 2670 less 2520 = 150, at 2007 after Christ, is 2613 after Daniel and 93 years of the 150 given, is 150 years the short time for Satan in the time of the end ]??

ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO JESUS OVER HEAVEN AND EARTH BY GOD

Matt.28:18; Rev.20:1-6,12,13; No Satan [ after 6130 years from Eden, he will be in the pit for ], 1000 years, the heavenly Rev.3:12; are with Jesus at his 2nd coming, to resurrect the earthly back to Abel, for the new heavens and the new earth 1Cor.15:22-28,51-53; Heb.9:27; 2Pet.3:13; Rev.21:1-5; All is made as new as before Eden.
Rev.20:7-10; Rev.21:8; SOME ARE DEVOURED.

Answer 5

Short and to the point:


Seems to me you just want to start something up. Just remember that there is no forgiveness for Apostates.

Answer 6

for starters read 1 Corinthians 8:4-6.
Now concerning the eating of foods offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.

Who Is Michael the Archangel?

THE spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?” But who is Michael?

At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon. (Genesis 49:1, 2; Matthew 10:2) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us consider Scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion.

Archangel. God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9) This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael.

Army Leader. The Bible states that “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon . . . and its angels.” (Revelation 12:7) Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Revelation 19:14-16) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7; Matthew 16:27; 24:31; 1 Peter 3:22) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.

Since the Son was born from God, “God” in connection with the Son. He states in his First Apology: “The Father of the universe has a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God.”10 The Bible also refers to the Son of God by the title “God.” At Isaiah 9:6 he is called “Mighty God.” But in the Bible, angels, humans, false gods, and Satan are also called “gods.” (Angels: Psalm 8:5; compare Hebrews 2:6, 7. Humans: Psalm 82:6. False gods: Exodus 12:12; 1 Corinthians 8:5. Satan: 2 Corinthians 4:4.) In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word for “God,” ’El, simply means “Mighty One” or “Strong One.” The equivalent in the Greek Scriptures is the·os′.

Moreover, the Hebrew term used at Isaiah 9:6 shows a definite distinction between the Son and God. There the Son is called “Mighty God,” ’El Gib·bohr′, not “Almighty God.” That term in Hebrew is ’El Shad·dai′ and applies uniquely to Jehovah God. He was creaded and through him Jehovah created everything else.

Answer 7

Personally, I think you need to get another hobby. If that's the best you can come up with...forgetaboutit!

Answer 8

Paul...don't waste your time...if he is not an apostate, then he already knows our beliefs and he is only looking for a debate.

Answer 9

We answered your questions the last time you asked them.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ah_.egOe5Fp0jyvakIyINuTty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20071207200930AAcgWcg

Answer 10

Almighty Jehovah is "the one true God" in the sense that He has no rival. His own Son Jesus certainly does not rival Jehovah.
...(Psalm 86:8,10) There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah... You are God, you alone.
...(Exodus 22:20) One who sacrifices to any gods but Jehovah alone is to be devoted to destruction.
...(1 Corinthians 15:28) The Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

Hebrews chapter 1 certainly does not contrast Jesus with the angels; those verses highlight the fact that Jesus was and is an angel. There is no reason to argue that the apostle Paul was asking trick questions. Here is each of Paul’s rhetorical questions, along with the earlier Scriptural references from which Paul quotes...
From Hebrews 1:5, the question posed:
Q: [quote]To which one of the angels did [God] ever say: "You are my son; I, today, I have become your father"?[unquote]

The obvious answer:
To which angel? To the angel Jesus, the Christ, as Psalm 2 shows!
...(Psalm 2:2-12) High officials themselves have massed together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one [footnote; "Christ"]... Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: "You are my son; I, today, I have become your father..."


From Hebrews 1:5, the question posed:
Q: [quote]To which of one of the angels did [God] ever say: ..."I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son"?[unquote]

The obvious answer:
To which angel? To the angel Jesus, God's chosen King, as 2 Samuel 7 shows!
...(2 Samuel 7:11-14) Jehovah has told you ... I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son


From Hebrews 1:13, the question posed:
Q: [quote]To which one of the angels has [God] ever said: “Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet”?[unquote]

The obvious answer:
To which angel? To the angel Jesus, who waited patiently for God's purposes to unfold, as Psalm 110 shows!
...(Psalm 110:1) The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”

Remarkably, the only way this passage from Hebrews could possibly reconcile with trinitarianism is if one believes Paul was asking trick questions to confuse his readers.


Jehovah's Witnesses certainly do not rely upon the implied "other" at Colosians 1:16,17 to prove that Jesus was created.
...(Colossians 1:13-18) The kingdom of the Son of [God's] love... He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation
...(Revelation 3:14) These are the things that the Amen [footnote: 2 Cor 1:20] says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God
...(Proverbs 8:22) Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago.
...(John 1:14) So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father


Ironically, the shaky foundations of trinitarianism rest on dubious misapplications of perhaps ten bible verses. By contrast, entire passages and important bible concepts literally require Jesus the Son to be a separate person from God the Father. Who created Jesus? To whom did Jesus pray? Who resurrected Jesus? At whose right hand does Jesus sit?


Jehovah's Witnesses believe that their worship is a restoration of biblical Christianity, as practiced by the apostles and first century Christians. They recognize Christ himself (and the apostles to a much lesser extent) as the "foundation" of true Christian worship. Of course, the bible teaches that God Himself is the "builder".

(Isaiah 28:16) Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation.

(Acts 4:10-11) Jesus Christ the Nazarene... This is ‘the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’

(Revelation 21:14) The wall of the city also had twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

(Hebrews 11:10) the city having real foundations, the builder and maker of which city is God.


Really, it is the bible rather than any human tradition, catechism, or post-biblical writing which can reveal the truth about Jesus Christ.

Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians; they teach that Christ was and is divine and of the same nature as God. What does the bible teach about Jesus?

Jehovah's Witnesses understand the bible to teach that no salvation occurs without Christ, that accepting Christ's sacrifice is a requirement for true worship, that every prayer must acknowledge Christ, that Christ is the King of God's Kingdom, that Christ is the head of the Christian congregation, that Christ is immortal and above every creature, even that Christ was the 'master worker' in creating the universe!

Jehovah's Witnesses love and respect and honor Christ. However, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.

(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation

(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.

(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God

(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God

(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth

(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak

(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him

(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father

(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God

(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.

(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him


Thanks again for an opportunity to share what the bible actually says about the distinct persons of Jesus Christ the Son and Jehovah God the Father!

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