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was jesus the son of the HOLY Ghost or the one who overshadowed Mary?

2007-12-27 09:14:55 · 6 answers · asked by Priestcalling 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

see matthew 1:20. also, is the bad grammar in this text leading to a false conclusion?

2007-12-27 09:16:06 · update #1

Notice that jesus is called the son of God, and in isaiah the term "lord" does not mean specifically God the Father.

2007-12-29 07:41:53 · update #2

6 answers

Both.

The doctrine of the Holy Trinity states there is one true God who is made up of three separate but equal persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Bible does not contain the word Trinity. However, the Holy Trinity is hinted at repeatedly in both the Old and New Testaments. For many biblical references, see: http://www.cwo.com/~pentrack/catholic/Trinity.txt

Under the influence of the Holy Spirit, the early Christians prayed and struggled over these hints for a couple of centuries. The concept of the Holy Trinity (three equal persons in one God) was mainstream Christianity in 325 C.E. at the Council of Nicaea and our belief is expressed in the Nicene Creed.

How this works is not fully known and is one the Christian mysteries.

The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is shared by most Christian denominations including Roman and Orthodox Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals, Episcopalians, and the Salvation Army.

There is a story told about St Augustine:

Augustine was walking along the seashore trying to figure out the mystery of the Holy Trinity and came up to a little boy. The boy was trying to pour the ocean into a hole in the sand with a seashell. Augustine told the boy what he was doing was impossible. Then the little boy told Augustine that it is also impossible for the mind of man to try to understand the mystery of the Holy Trinity. The little boy turned into an angel and disappeared.

For more information, see Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 232 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt1art1p2.htm#232

The major non-Trinitarian churches are Christadelphianism, Christian Science, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Arian Catholicism, Unitarianism , Nontrinitarianism, and Oneness Pentecostals.

With love in Christ.

2008-01-03 07:23:10 · answer #1 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 0 1

The power of the Most High (the Holy Ghost), (Spirit of God) came upon and overshadowed Mary...Producing a man-child, the Son of God - known also as Emmanuel (God with us).

2007-12-27 09:21:24 · answer #2 · answered by Mrs.M 4 · 1 0

I guess I don't understand the question. Emmanuel means God is With Us and is the name given by the Angel to Mary's child.

The Holy Spirit is the part of the Godhead. Mary concieved by the Holy Spirit.

2007-12-27 09:23:22 · answer #3 · answered by busybee2 5 · 1 0

Isaiah 7:14 is the prophecy about the birth of Jesus and it reads: "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

The fulfillment of this prophecy can be found in Matthew 1:21-23: "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." Jesus is both the son of God in the flesh and Emmanuel as you can read in the following statements.

I worship the one true God, Jesus Christ. We read in Isaiah 9:6 the following,
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." This the prophecy of the prophet Isaiah about the future birth of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Note He is called the Mighty God and the Everlasting Father.

John1:1-5 states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

In John 8:51-58 Jesus declares to the church leaders the following, " Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

The Lord God of the Hebrews told Moses that He is the great I AM. Christ declared that He is the I AM. I believe that Jesus is the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and the Holy Spirit in regeneration, but ONE GOD who manifests Himself in three ways. I believe in being baptized in Jesus Name because that formula was commanded on the day of Pentecost by Peter. There are a total of four times in the book of Acts where we read of someone being baptized in or into the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin. Whe Jesus commanded His disciples to "...go ye therefore into all the earth baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost" He was not speaking that formula. Notice He said the NAME not the NAMES. The NAME is that of of the one true God, Jeshua, Yahweh, Jehovah. The NAME that is above all names, Jesus, Creator, Saviour, and Redeemer. Praise His Holy NAME!

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2007-12-27 09:33:40 · answer #4 · answered by gatita 7 · 0 0

Not all that is there in bible is word of God. Bible contains words of historians, scribes, translators, literature, short stories, sermons, and letters, and many true words have lost their original meaning and context.

A true christian will only be a true chrisitian if he looks at words of Jesus only (completly ignoring what historians say that contradict with words of Jesus.)
Bible was originally in currently dead languages (armaic/ hebrew), with first bible written centuries after Jesus by people who never met him.
The trinity is a false doctrine from about the year 325 AD, based partly on pagan, older triune gods.

It is not in the bible unless you really, really stretch it to fit.

Muslims believe in the message of Jesus the massaya (peace be upon him) who said:

Jesus said:

A) Mark 12:29:
"the Lord our God, the lord is One"

B) Metthew: 26:39:
"He went a little farther and fell on His face and prayed"

Jesus prayed to one God

C) Matthew 4:10
"You shall worship the Lord, your God, and him only you shall serve"

D) john 14:28 reads--
" You heard that I said to you,I am going away and i am coming back to you. If you loved me , you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father,BECAUSE THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM"

E) Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
John 8:54

F) But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 13:32

G) Most truly I say to you, the son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative but only what he beholds the father doing.
John 5:19

H) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:17

I) Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
John 7:16

Trinity was invented by Paul, an evolved concept in christianity, 200 years after Jesus, and that's how confused and divided the concept that Jesus preached. Word "son" was used in bible for general human beings and other prophets also. "we all are the children of father in heavens" indicates that word "son" was used in different meaning.

The belief that Jesus died for our sins, is not what is Jesus preached clearly. It contradicts with interpretations done by scribes/ historians centuries after Jesus:
Matt 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness (your uprightness and your right standing with God) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

There is no guranteed heaven for anyone, this life is a test, whether you pass and enter heaven or fail,.

Ex 16:4 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may test them, whether or not they will walk in My instruction.
Matt 3:2 And saying, Repent (think differently; change your mind, regretting your sins and changing your conduct), for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Romans 1:25 (New International Version)

25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen

Jesus, Moses, Mohammad (p.b.u.h), they all worship the same God, the God of Ibrahim. All prophets taught "surrendering one's will to God" that is the meaning of word "Islam". In any book of bible you will not find word "christianity", but you will find Jesus teachings to be "surrender your will to God" many times.
Mohammad (peace be upon him) was also a messenger of God, who never claimed to be God, the same way Jesus or Moses never claimed to be God, nor did they ever say worship me.

Look at www.todayislam.com and discover what some most intellectual priests discovered., very interesting stories, makes me cry to see why God sent us here, and what we are doing. There are strong reasons why Islam is the fastest growing religion of the world in general and US in particular, discover.

2008-01-03 10:25:11 · answer #5 · answered by freetothink 5 · 0 0

Jesus IS IMManuel!

2007-12-27 09:18:59 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

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