Creationists: Why does complexity entail design?

Question

Or, if you prefer, why does complexity denote design?

rob: Yes. I once saw a tree that got hit by lightning and fell across a stream. We used it as a bridge.

rkirby: The more complex, the less chance that it randomly appeared fully formed. This doesn't take into account small changes over time.

Rev. Al: All of those quotes claim that complexity entails design, but none of them say why. I'm asking why.

hasse: You're talking about the Hoyle calculations that are based on a bunch of flawed assumptions.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html

Mike O: You're very clever young man, but it's turtles all the way down. :)

Searcher: I agree. I don't think the design argument either proves or disproves God.

cut more trees: Man can't. But a quantum fluctuation at an event horizon can.

Answer 1

Good question. the usual answers:

1. Bible quote
2. The 747 argument
3. Quotes taken out of context
4. Incorrect equations
5. And the classic...'cause things look complicated

There you go!

Answer 2

I'm not a creationist but I think the rational is: the only explanation for a complex being (such as people) is creation by a more complex being (God).

It goes back to the old Earth moving on the back of a giant turtle model. What did the turtle stand on? More turtles. It was all turtles - all the way down.

Answer 3

Not a creationist, but I believe that evolution is Nature's method of design. Evolution is slow and subtle and allows organisms to be involved in their own creation. It's so beautiful, no man made G/god could ever conceive of such a way to create, advance or perpetuate life.

How does one compare man's ability to design and construct objects to Natures ability to evolve organic matter? It is not the same thing.

Pantheist

Answer 4

I am not a creationist but I am very interested in whether the critical values which govern the world and enable life to exist are likely to have come about by chance.
The probabilities which I have seen are so low that the idea of design seems a very attractive alternative.

Answer 5

Good question.

I can take a hundred black and white marbles, and drop them repeatedly in a single pile in a divot in the earth.

There is a chance, however infinitesimal, that the pile will end up as a regular sequence of black, white, black, white, neatly in a flat layer of marbles.

It's not a grand design, it's just the application of probability given enough time to allow for the tiniest possibility to occur.

Answer 6

because look around you, you can't see god in any of this?

why do children smile

why do birds sing

why do people write beautiful music

because of god

There's no such thing as atoms, that's silly, the sun is close to the earth, and the universe is only small! thats why there is a god. My daddy isn't a monkey, er, humans aren't animals. DNA is a lie. The bible tells me that god loves me, even though i've only read a small portion of the bits my church told me to read.

That's the kind of thing they usually say.

Answer 7

any argument for design requires that you forgo the thought that if true the designer then requires a designer-circular at best which makes for extremely poor and illogical reasoning-just my thoughts---smile and enjoy the day

Answer 8

'To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.' Darwin in Survival of Species

"I am fascinated by some strange developments going on in astronomy....The astronomical evidence leads to a Biblical view of the origin of the world". -- Robert Jastrow (Astomomer) and former Director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies

“The more I examine the universe and the details of its architecture, the more evidence I
find that the universe in some sense must have known we were coming.” - Freeman Dyson (physicist)

“The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls
for the divine.” - Vera Kistiakowsky (physicist)

"For the scientist who has lived his dream by faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." - Robert Jastrow (astronomer and physicist)

Answer 9

Once DNA was unraveled (so to speak) some mathematicians calculated that the probability of life happening by chance is one in 10 to the 147th power. One chance in 10 to the 31 st is usually accepted as an impossibility. If chance is an impossibility, then there must have been an outside power. QED

Answer 10

The more complex, the less the chance of being random is possible.
Look at our bodies, our ability to reason, food supplied throughout the Earth, weather, the universe, and on and on - it did not happen randomly.