14 year old agnostic asking if anybody actually has any prove of god?

Question

I don't think I can elaborate much further exept to say that anybody who uses the bible as your only prove, you will NOT convince me.

ok, this brings me to my next question, why are there believers if there isn't any proof? (Note that I said proof instead of prove this time)

ok, this brings me to my next question, why are there believers if there isn't any proof? (Note that I said proof instead of prove this time)

karen j, reasearch the law of attraction.

Dear Muslima, once again, no books

You've all answered my questions, and now I'm answering some of yours and put in somemore feedback.
1. No you can't really change what I believe and nobody really seems to be trying
2. I only asked because I'm bored and your answers are quite entertaining. I already know that nobody has any real proof.
3. I don't have a designated "bed time" while school's out. I just stay awake until whenever, then sleep until whenever.
4. Steven, It sounds to me like somebody's not in a very good mood today.

Corrections:
I meant to say I do not have a designated bed time and its aparently it's Steve not Steven, assuming that you care.

Earl D I didn't even begin to read your answer. There's got to be a simpler way to respond to your answers. Plannetkram12 don't try asking people questions that nobody knows the answer to or you'll end up like me, which I have to admit isn't really a bad place to be. I bet nobody who posted already read any of my corrections after they posted.

This is getting really long.

How do you choose the best answer?

Answer 1

Of course not, the very idea is preposterous. People have been trying to tell me there's a difference between Zeus, Odin, and God since I was a little kid and I never bought it. The Torah doesn't prove anything except that one religion grew more popular than all the others and was able to burn the other religious writings before we could get our hands on them.

Answer 2

I dont believe the burden of proof lies with the Christians to convince you.

Rather, perhaps you may ask yourself some questions.

1. what is life, why do we have it, and who gave it to us?
2. Is there a supreme being or creator?
3. Who or what created this?
4. What happens after you die?
5. is there a purpose to life? what are we doing here?

There has to be more to life than being born, getting old, dying and doing stuff in between. Whats it all for? Is there a point?

And right now, the only ones offering answers are the Christians. So just because their answer infringes on your freedoms to do what you want, it doesnt mean its false.

Most, if not all Believers can tell you their belief has developed and grown into a absolute knowledge through answers to their prayers, testing of their faith and experiencing miracles. - -all of which cant be explained and can really only be used as proof to the recipient only.

Answer 3

Any and everyone who has confesses Jesus Christ and believes that God raised Jesus from the dead has proof the next thing God does is give you a different language to speak in so you become bilingual. I now speak three languages. thats proof. Then God watches over his word to perform it. I lost my job and God put me in touch with a lady who asked me to do typing work for her she said she would pay me 20 dollars per hour . I worked from 8 pm until 2 am she paid me 250 dollars which was exactly what my rent was. God said in his word " Bring my tithes in to the store house and see if I will not pour you out a blessing above and beyond so that you cant even contain it. I did and he did. I had so much money I had to get more purses. Now you have just learned how never to be poor or lack again. Proof: Helloo Gopher wood on top of mount Ararat, form the Ark, Huge ruts in Grand Canyon , draining of waterrrr. Sun and moon sit in sky, sea doesnt come pass the shoreeee. Also God says that he put in everyone to know that there is a God and that he gave every man a measure of faith. He also said that some of us choose to deny it or ignore it. Why dont you prove it for yourself, go in to his word and find something that he says "If you do this , then I'll do that"

Answer 4

I have no intention of trying to convince you that any particular religion is true. I myself am a lifelong Christian, and am not convinced that my faith holds all of the answers.

however, I believe that the incredible complexity and diversity of life on this planet, and in the universe, points to the existence of a Creator. If you can blow up a small item, like your computer printer and make it expand to fill a warehouse with neatly stacked encyclopedias, then I will accept the "big bang" theory as fact.

I have studied microbiology, anatomy and physiology, and astronomy, and I have no doubt that the "big bang' did occur some 15 billion years ago, and that God did not create the heavens and earth in six days as we understand them. But the first chapters of Genesis do actually do a pretty good job of putting the creation process in its proper order, considering that it was written 8000 years ago by a warlike, nomadic tribe that had no knowlege of microbiology, archaeology, palientology, and did not know about toilet papar or electricity.

Answer 5

For me this is what I have learned that science does not know. How the universe begin; how life begin in the universe;.
how life begin on earth; how consciousness came into existence; If there life after death.

Those are questions people want to know what the answer is to going back to ancient times.

I simplified my search. I believe the Bible's account that God showed himself to man not just from the beginning but throughout 4,000 years of Biblical history in the Old Testament And in the New Testament that started with Jesus Christ and his church. I believe what millions and thousands have believed. There is a God and that this truth is eternal and will never change. I am free to live my life for the Lord and to help my fellow man. Our belief is not proof of God's existence. Only proof that man believes and claim to have a relationship with God on a daily basis..

You see when you start out with the premise that God revealed himself to man at the beginning. Then you come to the realization that men can only reject the truth. If you start out with the premise man made god, then no man's god is more important or better than any one elses. But that is wishful thinking for the earliest recorded histories of man record the fact of an actual deity creating the earth and man.

Good luck in your search for truth. I hope it sets you free as much as mine has for me.

Answer 6

Nobody can prove either for or against. The only thing that we know for sure is that we don't know anything.
As an agnostic, you must believe in a higher power yet don't believe it to be God in the traditional sense.
We know that there is something out there that we can't understand at this time- for example, how something can be created from nothingness. The old argument about "oh yeah, the world was created from the big bang"- but then where did the big bang come from?
Does energy= God? I know that in the bible it states that God is "everywhere." I don't necessarily believe this, but it's interesting to think about.

Answer 7

There is no proof of God and of No God.

Thus in the absence of proof one, if one is a critical thinker, must not discount anything.

We can establish with imperical evidence that creation and a creator(s) is required for all things complex.

Afterall, Ipods don't grow on trees.

We cannot establish with impreical evidence that life happens accidentally. That has simply never been documented it is only a theory or hypothesis.

We cannot, at the current time, integrate organic and inorganic chemistry into one unified set of rules.

There is no point on the periodic chart where origanic matter eminated from inoganic matter.

We cannot establish where all the matter of the universe comes from other than to simply state is is here.

The job of an agnostic in attempting to disprove willful creation becomes a far greater task than proving it.

It is an indisputable fact that pollio vaccine does not grow on trees.

It is an indisputable fact you can not harvest flu vaccine in your garden.

In view of the surmontable evidence in favor of creationism, proving irrational random automatic, self-pepetuating accidental manifestation is a very difficut task to establish imperically.

And that happens to be your only alternative.

Things are either totally accidental (in which case why do we go to college to learn how to craft things with intellect) or created with willful intent.

No matter how you slice it, since you can't show anyone a video tape of how an apple got created accidentially one day, the day before there was none, but I can show you video of how seedless watermellons are created willfully and intentionally.

The whole processes hinges on the imperical documentation of what is termed a "miracle"

And to parents who went through mumps as a kid giving their 1 year old a mumps vaccine that prevents them from going through it is called a miracle and that vaccine was a production of a process known as creationism.

We return one again to the imperical facts that over and over we can document the success rate of willful creationism but you hard hard pressed to document random accidental manifestation.

And those are your only two alternatives.

Answer 8

As you may suppose, the subject has been done to death, and the short answer is NO: no such proof exists. Noted Catholic theologian Hans Kung examined the matter in excruciating detail [ref. 1], and correctly concluded that neither the existence nor non-existence of god could be established on the basis of logic or evidence. But the absence of proof does not imply the absence of evidence, and all the extant evidence indicates that there is no such thing [ref. 2]. The real problem with a belief in god is that it is provably useless: there can be no real world consequences resulting from the existence or non-existence of god. Were that not so, a proof procedure would exist, and as we have just seen, there isn't one.

Answer 9

What kind of proof do you want? The same kind of proof that my mom is my mom? There is a birth certificate...but documents can be forged, right? There is the eyewitness testimony...but people lie, right? There are pictures but these only prove that the same lady appear in all the photos as me, right? There is no proof compelling enough. We can only believe what we have witnessed in our lifetimes...then we can accept nothing beyond the moment of our own conscious recollection of events. Nice world to live in...

Answer 10

aww jeez, proof of god? theres miraculous survivals, ghosts, healing prayers and miracles going on every day. but here's the catch that has confounded priests, philosophists, dalai llaamas, and popes alike. if you believe in god, this is proof, if you don't believe in god, it's all science.

being an agnostic you should know this the best, if you believe that god is unknowable, there is no proof. are you sure you dont mean atheist?

To all the miracles of coma patients waking up, mental patients recovering and such, there are a variety of neurological and neuroscientific explanations, including a completely non-religious placebo effect, which, in clinical trials, is usually experienced by about 10% of the control group getting fed sugar pills as opposed to the real medicine.

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and kyle b, that really pisses me off. if god is real or not you cannot deny the theory of evolution, the existence of atoms or anything else unless you are a scientist and have studied it for decades to come up with a detailed enough question. to be wise enough to know anything about god, or to have the actual right to call someone stupid and wrong on a matter of faith is impossible. the first step to knowledge is learning that you know nothing.

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i think i just remembered some concrete(ish) evidence. in the Koran, muhammad, the prophet, had a dream. In this, he was with god/allah, and jesus. There are connections like this in many stories all over the world. so in a sense all monothiestic dieties are one... but its is up to you to decide whether it is a story or not.

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there IS proof, but again, the paradox is that if you believe in god, the proof is right there, if you don't, it's exxplainable. you don't believe in god in the traditional sense, but you are stating that there is no proof in god, which is also a paradox. some people believe in god because they are afraid, others because they need answers. the real visionaries believe in god because he is real, others don't believe in him because he is fake. there is no answer, it is all extremely vague, sorry