If you push all-in at NLH, but don't say "Raise" or "All-In", should this be treated as a call?

Question

This is to resolve an argument where somebody said that if you don't make your intentions known before making your pay, then it should be considered a flat call.

Answer 1

In a live game, you have to announce your intentions, period.....how its handled, if you dont....needs to be stated before the game starts....sounds like you were in a home game, where this is definately needed, along w/ a few more, where these things always happen w/ different players weekly............

Answer 2

Go with John F.'s response. If you first announce a play verbally, that controls. However, if you say nothing, your action controls. If you move your entire stack beyond your cards (or, in some card rooms, beyond a certiain line on the table), then you have moved all-in.

Of course, if you just tossed in a stack of chips that would constitute a call and then you tossed in the rest of your chips, that would be a string bet and would only be treated as a call.

Answer 3

No. As long as you put all of the chips into the middle of the table with a single motion, it is a raise.

Rule 32 of the Tournament Dealers Assoc. Rules:
"In no-limit or pot-limit a raise must be made by (1) placing the full amount in the pot in one motion; or (2) verbally declaring the full amount prior to the initial placement of chips into the pot; or (3) verbally declaring “raise” prior to the placement of the amount to call into the pot and then completing the action with one additional motion"

Answer 4

John got it right. If you push all your chips at the same time, it's an all-in raise. If you were to place chips out to match the previous bet, then attempt to shove the rest of your chips in, it would be considered a call and you would be required to pull the remaining chips back.

Answer 5

Yes, going all in is always a call. The dealer then announces the raise or sets up the side bets, but you're in for the rest of the hand.

Answer 6

John F found a very good rule stating.

If you shove all your chips in, then it is most certainly a raise. It's also true that if you only threw in one chip of a large denomination with no declaration, that is in fact merely a call. The dealer with then give you your change.

Answer 7

JohnF has got it right although I've personally never heard of The Tournament Dealers Assoc, I've worked in casinos around the world for the last 22 years.

Answer 8

You do not need to state your intention when you push all your chips into the pot in one motion. You have done it and your raise stands because it is obvious.

Answer 9

only one situation when you put more money in and it is a call....assume the bet is $50. you toss 1 single $100 chip in and say nothing. this one instance is considered a call and $50 is returned to you...

Answer 10

depends. if you are putting in one chip it's a call unless you state a raise. otherwise yes, you cant decieve players by motioning, it's all in.