By all accounts, none of the stars and planets should be here, much less us. This is the finding of the finest of sciences;physics.
I'm just curious about the rationale behind believing in this highly improbable accident, as being all there is.
2007-12-23
08:57:14
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The funny thing is that I never professed a religious belief nor did I state that I believe in the Creation of the universe. There seems to be an awful lot of assumption going on around here.
Read on, kids;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_universe
Then look at this question on Q&A;
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ah6My4u6KoamMKz4PHJhzSXsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20071223030426AAygbBK
I ask a sincere question and all I get is venom. Kinda illustrates how secure everyone is with their theories.
2007-12-23
09:26:49 ·
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In a closed system, shouldn't thing tend toward chaos? How is the universe an open system? What is outside of the universe, feeding the energy in?
2007-12-23
09:37:52 ·
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Tell me Mr. Physics degree, what would happen if the strong nuclear force was 2% less then it is? How about 2% stronger? You were obviously sleeping during that lecture.
2007-12-23
09:53:07 ·
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Sophia, I've been waiting for you. I love ruffled feathers ;)
2007-12-23
09:55:28 ·
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Sly, I never aim my questions, I load them. And, I've been known to fight fire with fire and begin sentences with "and." ;)
2007-12-23
10:10:20 ·
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I think faith helps on identify themselves an atheists faith or a
Christians faith it does not matter we say that we believe something because that something is what we recognize as part of our identity and a part that is shared by others.
I am thirsty for knowledge that is my religion if I close avenues then that will hinder my pursuit and my apatite is veracious and not as easily sated when I exclude from the menu.
have a nice day.
2007-12-23 11:26:09
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answered by Anonymous
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"By all accounts, none of the stars and planets should be here, much less us"
That isn't a question, that's a statement, or a supposition. I don't really know what it's supposed to mean.
The word 'should' is ambiguous in that context unless there is presupposition.
Without knowledge or evidence, I don't presuppose anything about the Universe, so the word 'should' doesn't relate to the Universe in my mind.
The Universe blows my mind. It isn't there for me to 'get over'. I am in constant awe.
But I don't make stuff up to 'explain' it all away, and that includes smoothing the gaps in my knowledge with anthropically biased Middle Eastern 'deities' from the Bronze Age.
Why would I do that? I don't believe humans are the centre of the Universe. I don't even know how many Universes (or even 'metaverses') there are, or how time and space works in other places or 'realms'? I haven't a clue about things I don't have a clue about, no matter how often you put words into my mouth.
To quote someone else's answer...
"Why should nothing be the natural state, and not something?"
2007-12-23 17:04:29
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answered by Bajingo 6
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First let me start by presenting myself.
I am neither fish nor fowl
I do not run with the fox or the Hound
I am I.
There is no other to which I follow or would have follow me!
Ok so the question is NOT aimed at me, but I just can't get out of this rabbit hole.
I just want to point out a little thing that people don't seem to be taking into consideration.
WHICH IS THAT WIKIPEDIA GET IT STUFF FROM PLACES LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
I found a troll fishing the other day and trace him back to good old WIKIworld!!
Please start using more reliable sources, when you go to the Yahoo Q&A have a look at my links esp. the New Scientist, Scientific America and American Scientist are all good sources.
Ok, this means you have to work harder to find good answers!
But if a things worth doing it's worth doing well, Don't you think?
2007-12-23 18:02:28
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answered by Sly Fox [King of Fools] 6
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I am always amazed when people *should* all over the universe. The approach of science is to deal with the world as it is.
If you state that an observed fact should not be according to your theory it just means that your theory is fatally flawed.
There is nothing in physics that says the world and the universe should not exist. To do so would not only be outside of physics, it would be an insane statement for a science that studies the physical world to make.
2007-12-23 17:05:46
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answered by Buke 4
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Just because YOU think it is an highly improbable accident does not make it so. Also, just because we don't have an answer to how everything was created doesn't make the default god-- ever. I do wish we had an answer but we don't and it really doesn't affect my daily life. I'm here now, I'm going to make the best of it. Dwelling on the past is unhealthy. Unless, of course, your passion is science and thats your job. Passions are healthy even if it happens to be a religion.
2007-12-23 18:42:17
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answered by Emily 5
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I am not athiest, i believe in a higher being however i do believe in evolution. I am not going to give you a spiteful answer because you are entitled to think whatever you want. However i will ask, who created god?
People always say how do you think the world was created if it wasn't god, but the same can go with how was god created.
Also i think you would get alot more answers, and maybe actually learn something if you worded you questions a bit nicer.
2007-12-23 17:05:36
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answered by Lou 3
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I think you need to be introduced to an interesting little argument that simply and quietly destroys vast portions of everything creationists have ever brought up. It's called the Anthropic Principle, and you can read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_Principle
2007-12-23 17:04:24
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answered by Anonymous
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Well, I have a PhD in physics and have to say that your account of what physics concludes is - well, utter rubbish.
Do not make extravagent claims you cannot justify and that are wrong. This is just plain evil. Trying to prove a religious point by lying through your teeth about science.
How about this - the contingent probability that Earth supports complex life is 1:1. This is a scientific fact. Doesn't sound so dramatic though, does it?
2007-12-23 17:02:54
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answered by Anonymous
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Ahhhhh, welcome my friend, to the curse of objectivity, where both sides will call you anything but,
Some believers will call you fence-rider(life on the edge, isn't so bad is it?), and some atheist will call call you bible-thumper! But it appears worse, here...Some look to be innocent enough, but tend to be the exception, rather then the rule. if you haven't yet done so, feel free to join our merry-men......for we practice the discipline of Agnosticism and consider all sides of the question with Apathy, which Mr. Fox has informed me simply means to decide, without being manipulated by your own personal-out-of-hand passions. Clearly not the case, with some people here.
It's an open-invitation, if not me, possibly Sly Fox or Bruneau, I'm not sure if Mr. Bruneau considers himself 'Agnostic' or 'Atheist', but appears to be just as objective as any of the rest of us, and I believe him to be good-interesting company, I hope he doesn't mind me saying so....
........till fate or free-will intervenes, Good-luck....and Good day....
-sophiaseeker-
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Amen, hope the wait wasn't of duration, have you met the friar, and the priest, yet????So where's the gold, to be had, lad???Lol.......Welcome, to ya sir, and likewise...
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Sly Fox: Long time, no speak, welcome, let's pray that's not the case, for it could prove trouble for the road, ahead.....yahhh, thunder, yahhhh!
:Yes, quite right, chap, quite right.
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Tczubern: We must get him a nickname, are you partial to anything, Sir? That being, said, Bring on the Inferno! I say, quite, right? If I may interrupt, rudely?
----------------------Sorry Tczubern, I thought Sly was talking to me, some of that time, hope I didn't offend, and I pray you just had to attend other matters, I won't step out of line again, and volunteer to refrain from any further editing, at your request Tczubern, good day, gentlemen, And my apologies, once again. __________________________
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Emily: but unhealthy-passions imply malice, yes?
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Evolved: Blasphemer, Monty Python, is the Holy Grail of Movies..... lol...
2007-12-23 17:47:11
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answered by SophiaSeeker 5
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That's the amazing thing about it - it is all chance, one tiny, tiny thing different and we wouldn't be here, how fantastic is that? The absurdity of the universe is the best part about it. To know that we are all here due to some amazing accidental combination of circumstances is incredibly humbling, who needs a god to worship when reality is so much more amazing?
2007-12-23 17:04:05
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answered by florayg 5
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