9/11 Conspiracy......In recent modern history no building has ever crumbled do to a fire, not one.?

Question

The World Trade Centers were both hit near the top of the buildings, not the bottom. Why would the two towers fall literally straight down when the problem with them wasn't even near the core? The only buildings that have fallen straight down were done with demolitions. Buildings that have caught fire (In the entire industrial age) have reached similar temperatures inside after burning with different variations of time. They all have burned upwards, unlike the towers, which just crumbled. My question, how did two buildings fall straight down when they were hit in an area that wouldn't have made them crumble? They are also the most modern of the buildings that have experienced a fire and the only ones to fall. Don't give me the jet fuel excuse, buildings have burned longer and reached similar temperatures before. Did Bush want a reason to go to war because we've been at it ever since? Why was all the money removed from the banks in the vault underneath the towers the day before?

Answer 1

The statement "no other steel building ever collapsed from fire alone" is both false & irrelevant

It's FALSE because on 2/12/2005, a fire started in the Windsor building in Madrid, Spain, a 32-story tower framed in steel-reinforced concrete. In spite of the fire-proofing (concrete), the building collapsed, solely due to failure of the steel frame due to heat-weakening.

See
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/windsor.html

Also, every single steel-frame building on earth has FIRE-PROOFING around the steel frame. Why do you think they do that?

It's IRRELEVANT because hundreds of published experts have pointed out that the towers collapsed because of DAMAGE caused by the jets, along with the fire weakening the steel.

As NIST (National Institute of Science & Technology) says:
"About 60% of the 60 columns of the impacted face of framed-tube were severed, and many more were significantly deflected. “

The remaining supports had to hold up about 200,000 tons and were near the failure point. Meanwhile, the raging fire started weakening these remaining supports. (Steel loses half its strength at 600 deg C. Melting is not necessary nor did it occur)

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Some other points:

THE COLLAPSE OF WTC7 WAS NOT SURPRISING

Even though they were NOT hit by the jets, numerous buildings over a wide area were hit by debris from the collapsing towers and were destroyed.

This includes: The Marriott World Trade Center , 6 World Trade Center, 5 World Trade Center, 4 World Trade Center, and St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church (which wasn’t even in the WTC complex). The Deutsche Bank Building was also outside the WTC complex & was massively damaged, and was declared a total loss in 2004.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_attack#Damage

Hence, no particular explanation of the collapse of WTC7 is really needed. It collapsed as did SIX other buildings that were all hit by debris.

However, the specifics for WTC7 are:
According to NIST "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." See http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5#wtc7

WTC7 was only 400 feet from WTC1. Since WTC1 was over 1300 feet tall, as they peeled away, the large perimeter columns from WTC1 struck WTC7 & many other buildings with terrific force due to their high starting position. Archival photos shows perimeter columns lying on the ground up to WTC7. http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
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NIST HAS NOT BEEN "DISCREDITED"

Hundreds of scientists & folks from the private sector and the academic world worked together to analyze the collapse of the twin towers. The list of experts covers three pages of the NIST report:

http://wtc.nist.gov/

The ludicrous claim that all these people are either all lying or are all incompetent is a desperate lie created by the conspiracy folks. I haven't seen ANY evidence, not even flimsy evidence, to support this absurd claim.

Fact is, in addition to NIST, every single expert (in demolition & engineering), on the face of the earth, who has published a journal article on 9/11, has rejected the conspiracy "science."

You can't find single, solitary, lone engineer who has published an article, in a real journal, in favor of the conspiracy. It's really amazing.

This is a powerful fact that effectively puts an end to the conspiracy fairy tales.

-- The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) http://www.asce.org/pressroom/news/display_press.cfm?uid=1057

-- Massachusetts Institute of Technology. See http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/

--NIST (National Institute on Science and Technology):
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
Also see the lead investigator of NIST explain the collapse at
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/
Click on "Impact to Collapse"

-- The leading demolition journal in the world is against the conspiracy theorists:
http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

-- Purdue (http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html

--Professor Bazant (Northwestern Dept of Civil Engineering) is one of only 14 people to win the Prager Award in engineering. He first described the collapse mechanism as follows: http://www.debunking911.com/ProgressiveCollapseWTC-6-23-2006.pdf

--FEMA along with American Society of Civil Engineers, did an extensive analysis of the WTC collapse (ASCE/FEMA World Trade Center Building Performance Study (BPS) Team)
http://www.fema.gov/rebuild/mat/mat_fema403.shtm
It’s useful to see the investigation team & their credentials at: http://www.asce.org/responds/wtc_team.cfm

-- Popular Mechanics published a huge article citing 300 renowned experts in demolition & engineering.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

-- Columbia University has permanent seismographic recorders that was running on 9/11 which clearly show no explosives during the collapse of Towers 1 & 2, or of WTC7 . See page 2 of
http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

--The “American Society of Civil Engineers” & the “Structural Engineering Institute” (both are non-governmental) investigated the Pentagon crash. Their report is called "The Pentagon Performance Report" & it’s at:
http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf

-- Scientific American. See
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000DA0E2-1E15-128A-9E1583414B7F0000

Answer 2

Stay up on the news and do some research. That way you will not look or sound like such an idiot.

In San Francisco a gasoline tanker crashed under a steel and concrete bridge. The tanker caught on fire and the steel and concrete bridge collapsed from the heat.

Building SEVEN at the WTC also fell due to fire. It was full of diesel fuel as it also contained a generator plant for power.

The report below talks about 22 buildings that collapsed due to fire since 1970. Six of them were over 21 stories tall.

Answer 3

There was no fire when the buildings fell.

Explosions were on the side as the buildings went down.

Eyewitnesses said this, on film the day of.

Answer 4

Please don’t let some of the rude, nasty responses you have received here bother you. I worry about the intelligence of people who believe everything the media/government tells them. I am neither a “liberal” nor a “nutjob” (In fact, I yawn at both of those overused labels). But I also do not listen to the controlled mainstream media whose main purpose is to propagate fear and anger about 9/11 in order to push the NeoCon agenda along. A lot of people who answered this question have been watching way too much propaganda from yellow journalists like Hannity and O’Reilly on Faux sNews. These guys repeatedly tell their viewers to harshly attack any 9/11 skeptics – or anyone who dares to speak out against the Bush administration. The Fox Fear Factor does nothing but scare people into believing that war with Middle East is the only course of action or else we will face more disasters like 9/11. “"We're fighting them over there, so we don't have to fight them here.” is the one of the worst propaganda lines ever put out. It’s a pathetic lie, and yet so many of the ‘sheeple’ out there believe it.

The truth is, there is much to question about 9/11 and it doesn’t make you a nutjob if you question it. Conspiracies have existed throughout the ages – just as they exist today. Those who don’t believe a conspiracy can actually exist are beyond ignorant – they are living in a dream world. The government’s official version of 9/11 cannot be true. Those of us that have done our homework know that it reeks of a false flag black op. It is a painful thing to realize. I didn’t want to believe it myself because I had been raised to believe that people were basically good, and that our government was looking out for us and the good of the world. But I woke up, and realized that I was sadly mistaken. There really are EVIL people out there and they run the world! They financially sponsored the 9/11 terror attacks (and sacrificed our own citizens) as a pretext to go to war with the Middle East. The needed a new “Pearl Harbor” to initiate this war.

The Twin Towers came down by a controlled demolition after being hit by airliners. Airliners hitting the buildings had nothing to do with their demise as evidenced by the collapse of WTC7, which was not even hit by one!! All you have to do is watch footage of the towers before they collapsed and you will see squibs and demolition rings right before the towers fell straight down at a free fall speed. Traces of the explosive, Thermite, was also found at ground zero. Buildings do NOT fall down free fall into their own footprint unless it is a controlled demolition. There had to have been an implosion to cause the buildings to disintegrate in under ten seconds flat.

Buildings that fall naturally (without explosives) tend to fall over – they look like this:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/noexplosivesplaceddemolition.wmv

Thank you for posting this question. It shows that you are smart, you think for yourself and aren’t “neoconned” into believing the lies of the government.

Many blessings to you. May you enjoy a merry Christmas/Happy Holiday season.

Answer 5

Here is your answer:
List of building in recent history that collapsed due to fire (right at the top of the webpage)
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/firesafetyengineering%26theperformanceofst

Why the buildings fell:
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/00%20WTC%20Collapse%20-%20What%20did%20&%20Did%20Not%20Cause%20It%20-%20Revised%206-22-07.pdf\

Another analysis, not quite as technical:
http://www.911-strike.com/BazantZhou.htm

Why the buildings did not fall over like trees:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/nr/2001/skyscrapers.pdf

Why the buildings pancaked instead of toppling over in an easy to understand graphical format:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2243709&postcount=1243

On why the concrete pulverized:
http://www.911myths.com/WTCONC1.pdf

On "tipping"
http://www.911myths.com/WTC2TIP.pdf

All of the above links are to scientific papers and reports that provide sound engineering and repeatable scientific method. You evidence is grainy photos and youtube videos, and anti-establishment blog postings.

I'm going with the science.

Answer 6

You're right no building has ever collapsed to a fire! Out of ~50,000 Housfires last year, not one house collapsed. BTW I'm selling a Fireproof house, good oceanfront property in Arizona, Cheap.

ADDED: Alright I've seen enough of this crap put up. Time for me to rant.
Go get a life, preferably some schooling. Learn to think on your own, and stop letting others who have no expertise, or find the one expert hiding in th woodworks, do the thinking for. While at college, take an engineering course to learn what really happens to crap when things effect. Stop listening to these cooks who sit in their mothers basements and "watch tape", never putting their hands on the material, or doing any real scienctific analysis to justify their claims. We have Professors who are about as Anti-American as you can find, guess what, they think you are wacky believing this bull. Let the TRUE EXPERTS do the failure analysis on this, not your X-File buddies. Think on your own son, never let somebody else do it for you. Where is their proof! Their is none, just questions they have the wrong answer to, because they have no idea what the heck they are talking about! Stop listening to these loons. They have nothing better to do than cause pain for others. The reality of the world is Sh*t happens. Bad people do bad things. It does not take an eqauly large coverup to make a just as large event! Look at what they are telling you. How truely unbelievable is it? If even the smallest thing changed, the results would not fit their story. What if the plane hit 3 stories higher? What if the people "planting the demolition explosives" were seen? What if one of the "terrorists" was is the wrong place at the wrong time? All of their stories would collapse, because it is BS! Learn science from schooling, not these nuts, and you will see the holes in their Story, and see it for what it really is, a story, nothing more. Do your own research, all your above statement can be quickly shown to be WRONG with data prior to and after 9-11. For the love of God, stop listening to these people, and ask your own questions and make your own EDUCATED answers.

Okay, I'm done....................for now! lol

Answer 7

I am a firefighter, buildings DO CRUMBLE all the time. Many firefighters have lost their lives due to building collapses. As far as how the fire burned, I saw nothing unusual.

Oh, you don't sound intelligent, cool or hip, you do sound uninformed, delusional and a wannabe.

Answer 8

Buildings collapse during/after fires every day. With no other forces involved (lateral etc.), any object MUST fall straight down.

Try this:
Make a 6 foot stack of books on the porch.
With a baseball bat swing at the center of the stack as hard as you can.
The few books you make ''contact with'' will fly from the stack, the upper books will then crash directly down on the lower half.

The same sort of thing took place at the towers. The only difference is the bottom of each tower could not support the thousands of tons of the top half as they came crashing down (they weren't solid books).

Answer 9

It was poor construction. That was put out the DAY AFTER, FROM SOMEONE WHO WORKED ON THE BUILDINGS. Not sure if it was exactly the day after, it has been 6 years, but it was around the morning after and I believe it was Imus I was listening to it .The poor design lead to the problem. When the SUPPORT BEAMS melted the way the building was built caused the floor to fall. Then, once again because the way it was built, the floor collapsed into the next one forcing it to fall as well. It was really simple. Maybe you need to give it up already. Reminds me of the South Park, the Govt is behind all these conspiracy theories because some people need to believe that the Govt could cause this conspiracy and cover it up. Truth is the conspiracy would be so massive it could never be covered up.

Answer 10

Another stupid RANT question posted by a person who has no idea how the Twin Towers were even constructed.

So the weight of the floors above the impact area would have no bearing on the collapse of the building?

Remember the floors of the World Trade centre were hanging onto the walls and not an integral part of the walls themselves.

As the weight of the upper stories sank downwards they started a chain reaction with each floor adding its weight to that of the floor below, as they sank which became unstoppable due to Newtons law of gravity.

Its time you Sad Sack Conspiracy Theorists got a life, your accusations have been debunked millions of times but you truly are too dumb to learn.

Answer 11

Environmental Nazi's forced the removal of fireproofing in those buildings because the fireproofing contained asbestos. This left the steel beams supporting the building exposed. When the planes smashed into WTC, the intense heat from jet fuel burning turned the exposed steel into the equivalent of taffy. Gravity did the rest.

No conspiracy here. Except the one in your head.