Good, without evil. No relativity in Heaven?

Question

BEFORE READING, RELIGIOUS PEOPLE BELIEVE HEAVEN COULD BE ANYTHING. I AM USING LOGIC FROM EARTH, yes i might never apply

Isn't good a offset of bad. Don't the other exist because of the other? To appreciate the good, and respect it don't you have to know about the bad. And if the people in heaven did know about hell. well loved ones would be greived, and fear would be created. Because without imagination, we are not human. And with my assumption with good, must be bad. and with the knowledge of hell and greif and imagination, naturally I find heaven is unprotected from fear, a tool of the devil, am i correct?
I am a decient knowledge of bible, through several years of churching and bible camp, I like enteraining the idea, but struggle with logical constraits as such.
THIS IS A PONDER, PLEASE DON"T BE OFFEND or HOSTILE.

Some people have said god CAN create good without evil. I don't think that can be done. without getting it the debate of gods power. How can one see good, without evil. Without this
Every judgement would end in the pinhole in the center. The depths of hell margins the legnths of the heaven.

And if god did create it all, good and bad. well why is bad so spontanious. and why is its doing said to be one of the satin. If god created it all, the both of em. then he in turn should be in control of the both of em.
Ie. random temptation and lure, is an act god? Is he trying to push and push to see how much temptation I will resist. If that ended up being the case, I'd have some very passionate things to say to god.

I understand the 8th answer. I see how the space/time is completely different. but unfortunity I believe we surrender all that characteristically defines us as human. Imagination and memory. With memory and imagination in heaven, we create fear and make heaven impure. So heaven must not have the human traits of the memory of earth and imagation. And if the choice was that, sorry I would rather burn than surrender the character of my birth. My imagination and memory of this life, is all I have (yes on here) but I would want to give that up. Because if we do, well we're doing it just to live another life.(um yes one perphaps better, at cost)

I understand the 8th answer. I see how the space/time is completely different. but unfortunity I believe we surrender all that characteristically defines us as human. Imagination and memory. With memory and imagination in heaven, we create fear and make heaven impure. So heaven must not have the human traits of the memory of earth and imagation. And if the choice was that, sorry I would rather burn than surrender the character of my birth. My imagination and memory of this life, is all I have (yes on here) but I would want to give that up. Because if we do, well we're doing it just to live another life.(um yes one perphaps better, at cost)

Answer 1

Well, your first mistake is trying use logic where religion is concerned. With the exception of a very few, logic is NOT part of the religious equation. Faith and Logic can not coexist.

That said, from a theological Christian perspective, good and evil are NOT polar opposites. If A and B are opposites and Y and Z are opposites, just because A is good, B is not necessarily good OR evil just and if Y where pure evil, z would not necessarily be evil or good.

In the Judeo-Christian-Islamic faith structure, evil is anything that goes against the word of god (Allah, Yahweh, etc...) So, if killing is evil but god says to kill someone then killing for god is good and refusing to kill is evil. So in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions, you can have good without evil, in fact, good is all there is without evil.

Remember, in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic anything god says is good. ANYTHING he says is law, fair and just. THUS, if you disobey god, you are committing an evil act.

Of course, the truth of the madder is that there is no heaven or hell, but that's a debate for another day.

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Answer 2

This is the sister question to, How could a good God allow evil in the world?

As you have pointed out, we could not truly understand good without understanding evil. The sin in the garden of Eden was to disobey God. But in the act of that disobedience, Adam and Eve took a bite of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In doing so, they set humanity on the path of understanding the difference -- in living color.

Good can certainly exist in the absence of evil, but how could we know and appreciate the goodness of that Good without something to contrast it against? Quite simply, we can't. The only way is to live in a fallen world that tries to suck the very life out of us to the point that we realize we do not have the strength or power to deal with it any more. It is at that point of total despair that Christianity begins to make sense.

Heaven will be a place where we can live in perfection and all things will be as advertised. It will be a place that we can joyfully contrast to our hellish existence here on earth. The contrast will exist. Evil will be a memory, but no longer a reality.

Answer 3

Same thing someone asked last night. How can we know good without knowing evil?
This is the classic Greek view - the Hegelian dialectic - Marx took his philosophy from Democritus.
black white hot cold make female etc.
But before the Fall the world was without evil -
God's Word says "behold I create evil" - which in consequence of His being wholly good, He does as it is shown up in the actions of men.

Isaiah 45
6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

In heaven there will be no tears, no darkness, only eternal day so the end will not be the balance of opposites. When we die school is over for ever.
Fear is a tool of the devil.
Perfect love (Christ) casts out fear.
Those in heaven will not know of their loved ones in hell - there is a memory erasure. Our sins will be blotted out - God Himself says I will remember them no more.

Hebrews 8
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Psalm 103
11For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

13Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.

Answer 4

I'm with ya on this subject. Without evil, you wouldn't recognize things as good because it would just be the same all the time. Things like that plus the whole eternity idea always bugged me about the christian views of an afterlife. I like that you bring up your family members & friends who might end up in hell. You would think you'd be in heaven worried about them if you really loved them. That pain would make heaven far from perfect. The alternate would be for you to forget them completely upon reaching heaven. That sounds like a bogus idea to me as well. That basically tells you to not care about your less religious friends because they won't matter anyway.

Answer 5

You know, I have had this conversation before.
If the Judeo-Christian God created all things, did he not also create evil? And if he is truly omnipotent, how could evil just spring forward haphazardly?
I believe that there has to be a place and a purpose for evil, because it exists. It is not some random fluke.
How would we truly know that good is good if good wasn't tempered with bad? We would just that that we "are" and it "is".

Answer 6

i understand where youre coming from. ive heard, whoso be a man must not be hindered by the sake of goodness but must experience if it be goodness, nothing is at last sacred except the integrity of your own mind. and how about think for yourself and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet. how are we going to know whats good or bad for us unless we find out ourselves? i know this ive tested the waters and there is some really bad stuff out there and i can see why god wants to keep the bad on earth and save the good for the angels. good luck! i hope i helped a little.

Answer 7

Actually more to the point, if god could design heaven to be with out evil, and still presumably allow freewill there, why not design free will to not be between good and evil but about him?

On the lines of your question, evil is not needed for good to be good or even for good to be appreciated.

Answer 8

All of Your logic works well in this space/time continuum we call life. Try thinking of all time as a movie, linear, has to move in only one direction to be understood at all. But it (this movie) is also a solid thing You can hold in Your hand, store on a shelf, view later. It's a THING. You have to be "outside" of time to see time this way.

God is outside of time. Outside of relativity. That's my revelation.