Why did the Home Office have to defend facts put out by Migrationwatch?

Question

I have made this point many times before but can we please stop saying that Migrationwatch forecasts are wrong. I have pointed out before that Migrationwatch assumptions are often below the Government Actuarys Department high migration variant. (29 July 2003)

An internal Home Office email they were obliged to release to MigrationWatch

http://www.migrationwatch.org/

http://www.optimumpopulation.org/opt.more.uklocalpop.html

The above note was written by the Home Office not me

Margrete, personal opinion but not facts? mmm

Margrete, you are not related to George Galloway are you?

Margarete. You have lost me

Despite the dishonest statement by politicsguy Migrationwatch's opinion is always from reputable sources here is an example:

"The latest report from the Health Protection Agency shows that the major source of heterosexual HIV infection in the UK is immigration from sub Saharan Africa. 70% of all heterosexual cases diagnosed in the UK are among those born in Africa. Of those diagnosed in 2006, nearly half (46%) were described as Black African"

Politisc Guy Please check with theHEALTH PROTECTION AGENCY before giving George Galloway style denial of the facts. All MW statements can be checked by source

Politics Guy , again your dishonesty is amazing. The very first fact in my question above gives the HOME OFFICE as a source. NOT MIGRATIONWATCH You say MW are "wrong" How many times must I say the MW facts are from OTHER SOURCES. What part of "other sources" do you not understand?

Politics I have doubts about your medical qualifications, judging by your blind denial of evidence from from an official source. My comment is direct from the GMC report and not Migrationwatch, Is was only reported by Migrationwatch.

Politics guy correction TheHEALTH PROTECTION AGENCY is making the claim abou African HIV in the UK. You can deny it as long as you like but the statement is by the HPA.Not Migrationwatch.

Politics Guy, so you deny the Home office and the Health Protection Agency? Checkable reports? That is denial enough to make George Galloway envious.
People who quote true or false qualifications in internet discussions are pathetic.

Politics Guy, for all your internet boasting about your job and inference as to how "intelligent " you are , you have made the statement that. Migrationwatch's statements are incorrect. Are you saying Sir Andrew Green is a liar? Yes or no

Politics Guy Repeat, Is Sir Andrew Green is a liar? Yes or no

Politics Guy 2nd Repeat, Is Sir Andrew Green is a liar? Yes or no

Politics Guy I was not talking about the HPA,you wriggle out of the question. Is Sir Andrew Green is a liar? Yes or no

In case you have not figured this out if anything in MW is incorrect Sir Andrew is a liar. This man is a REAL Brit and a patriot so, again is he a liar?

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AgNk5TvSszxso6dl8uOL5NAgBgx.;_ylv=3?qid=20071223143633AAeztam

Politics guy. If Sir Andrew is a lair why does the Home Office not say he is a liar? You are the one who is distorting proven facts with a Chinese puzzle. I did answer your questions and ignored your request to answer them again because you wanted to pretend you did not have an answer. Nobody will believe a word of your internet boasting about being able to remember other people's information. Your slippery avoidance of facts by constantly repeating that you have no answers is a Chinese puzzle and will not fool the real British readers.

Politics Guy, Your avatar wears a Santa Claus outfit. Is that an indication of your Christianity or it is another way of misleading the readers? I am not saying you an immigrant you understand, but some explanation is needed as to why you deliberately distort information in favour of mass immigration.

Answer 1

Migration-watch is a very good site if you want more accurate unbiased figures than we get from this government.

Even today Jacqui Smith has admitted that even more government figures are wrong regarding deportation and even more personal details have been lost. All I can say is Thank heavens for Migration-watch at least we are not completely in the dark.

I see P.guy is making small talk again - He's trying to divert attention away from the facts as usual!

Answer 2

So when I and others point to the census results we are wrong and when this migrationwatch lot come up with something they are right and accurate. This group has not been around for very long i thought to have drawn up a record of accuracies really

Answer 3

This poliytiks guy dude does not read Migrationwatchs website. as u say they always quote from where they get the news. They say facts from places u can check

Answer 4

Migrationwatch is anti mass immigration, so am I. it is the biggest mistake in UK history.

Answer 5

Sir Andrew Green for prime minister !!!!

Answer 6

Sir Andrew probably sued on grounds of slander. These were not facts the writer of the column wrote ( comparing him to the KKK). They were personal opinion. Sir Andrew's study are facts, so he had grounds.

*Personal opinion BY the WRITER. Sir Andrew was not writing about personal opinion, he was stating facts. When a writer of a newspaper writes a personal opinion of that kind, it is slander. The Home Office was also stating facts, not opinion. Understand?

Answer 7

Migrationwatch are an anti-immigration organisation. Their findings are always presented in a manner that is misleading and defamatory to foreigners (but not incorrect). I would never get my facts from such an organisation (either left or right wing).

I don't fully understand your question (the links didn't help) but maybe the HO just wanted to clarify the full facts in a MW story.

Answer 8

I must have missed that, where in the links that you provide does it say that the Home Office has defended facts put out by Migrationwatch?

And for the record, Migrationwatch figures are nonsense.

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You're very good at not answering questions aren't you. Let me ask you again, Where in your links does the Home Office defend Migrationwatch figures?

And my response said nothing about HIV, but unlike you, with more than ten years experience as an epidemiologist in the field of sexual health, I guess I'm qualified to comment. And here's my comment: This is the link from page 23 of the HPA report.

http://www.hpa.org.uk/infections/topics_az/hiv_and_sti/publications/AnnualReport/2007/chap2/AR_2007_%20Chap%202_HIV.pdf

So tell me, given that on the table shown, when you add together the total number of those_both_diagnosed and undiagnosed with HIV in this country (don't worry about the methodology, it's beyond you), how is that those born in Africa account for only 35% of the total?

As I said previously, all Migrationwatch figures are nonsense.

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Chris D, I've looked at Migrationwatch website and as I've explained in other responses to questions from 'Mike', what they do is use figures from reputable sources and misreport and distort them. Just as they have done with the HPA report. Migrationwatch is a nonsense as are their figures.

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You can doubt my qualifications all you like, but clearly you don't understand them. I'm not medically qualified, I don't need to be, I'm an epidemiologist. You clearly have no idea whatsoever as to what you are talking about. Where does the GMC come into it? The HPA is nothing to do with the GMC. Perhaps you ought to take a look at their website.

Now why not stop skipping around the subject and answer the two questions which I've set out exceptionally clearly for you above.

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I'm denying nothing, I've even provided the link to the HPA report - something you've failed to do!

Yes the Health Protection makes the statment about Africans and HIV, it always does. In the same way it makes statements in all its HIV data about pregnant women, MSM and IDUs. Along with Black-Africans, they are the largest risk groups for HIV, which clearly you do understand. My second question remains, why do the figures quoted by Migrationwatch not match those by the HPA?

And just a little point to expose the true nature of Migrationwatch. Why the focus on Black Africans?

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Like most epidemiologists in this country, I gained my MSc from the London School of Epidemiology, which (you won't know, given that you know so little) is part of the University of London. It is on Keppel Street in London, not five minutes from Tottenham Court Road Tube. I could go on at length about my qualifications, but it isn't necessary, I'm fully aware of my background and it is self-evident in what I say.

I have denied nothing said by the HPA, though it is noticeable that you continue to evade the questions that I've asked.

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That's very good, not only_not_answer my question, but then
pretend that you've asked me something which you haven't and then keep on 'asking' it. Good diversionary tactics. As I said before, Migrationwatch figures are nonsense. And the answer to your question is, yes Andrew Green is a liar.

By the way, what is, "internet boasting"? No need for me to prove how intelligent I am, debate with you is hardlly taxing. I'm off to finish watching Catherine Tate, how about you answer my two questions now.

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Still no answers from you I see. Well, having failed to answer I expect you to do your usual trick of closing your question quick fast before doing so.

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You become more hilarious every time you write. Am I a Christian? Why do you want to know, is that so you can segway into your other pet rant about Muslims?. My you've managed to fit in all your little rants haven't you: I'm not a, "true Brit", ie White, I'm like George Galloway (!), I'm un-patriotic, now I'm posing a Christian and most likely an immigrant. Do you have any idea how demented you sound?

You have not answered either of my questions, so don't lie, I know it comes easy to you as a Migrationwatch fan, but that really should not be an excuse.

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Nice try, but what does the link to the Daily Mail article have to do with the Home Office or Migrationwatch? What does my nationality have to do with the question? What does my religion have to do with the question? Why nothing of course, just more of the demented ravings of a racist Islamaphobe!

Answer 9

Why don't you just come straight out with it and say that you're recruiting for the BNP and leave people to make up their own minds. Your present question makes no sense at all anyway.

Answer 10

yEH we cOMMin so WHA?