2007-12-20 23:26:45 · 19 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
RW; Let your yes be yes and your no be no. Which is it?
2007-12-20 23:38:19 · update #1
Richard F, by your reasoning, Adam would have been a Jew and that would mean all humanity is Jewish.
2007-12-20 23:41:41 · update #2
Hogie, do you know anything else? You don't believe any scripture I show you, so what is the use? You are blinded by your bitterness towards the Sabbath.
2007-12-21 06:37:48 · update #3
Bulla; it is very very plain where the Jews came from and that they are a part of God's Chosen People.
2007-12-21 06:38:43 · update #4
No because he wasn't, Judah was still in his loins so to speak at the time. This is Paul's whole point in both Romans and Galatians, You are not born of God because you are born of Judah or the "Jews" you are born of God through faith just as Abraham was.
And Yes Hogie I can prove that Abraham kept the Sabbath from the scriptures. You see Abraham obeyed God because of his faith just as believers should obey God because of their faith, scripture makes this very clear and The Sabbath is the first commandment given to us in the scripture. The commandment is Exodus 20 does not establish the Sabbath but tells us to Remember the Sabbath. If it was in force and Abraham obeyed Gods commandments and ordinances according to what the scripture says then yes he kept the Sabbath.
Bula, I am only answering this obvoius question because of your comments. Noah was a Son of God, He was a pure line from Adam from Seth. The other men "daughters of men" on the planet were a corrupt line of men through Cain.
So yes the seed from which Abraham came was still from the original seed from Adam. Is it beyond your believe that God has a plan and it will be carried out regardless of what kind of nonsense we try to thow in His path?
Sorry to throw a monkey wrench in you "Sons of God were the fallen angels" people but truly the word says that the angels neither marry or are given in marriage. In biblical terms that would include sex since it is forbidden outside of marriage.
2007-12-22 04:43:07 · answer #1 · answered by Tzadiq 6 · 2⤊ 2⤋
The Jews have been asserting that there replaced into no such man or woman as Abraham for some years, and maximum Christians have faith that Abraham replaced right into a pius fable. i'm unable to communicate for the Muslims, however the certainty that the final public of Christians and Jews don't think in a literal Abraham is in all risk the respond on your question. (by the way, i'm not conversing approximately US Christians - greater or less sixty 5% of them reject modern-day Biblical criticism, which has advance into the customary theological paradigm for the final public of Christians).
2016-10-02 05:17:11 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Abraham was NOT a Jew. He was from upper Mesopotamia (modern Iraq), originally a city-boy, but became a nomadic chief. He and his wife were childless, but were promised descendents too numerous to count if they entered into a monotheistic relationship with YHWH. Abraham entered into this covenant in modern-day Isreal, when he was about 80 years old.
Abraham eventually did have children: first with his wife's servant (and his concubine) Hagar (1), then with his wife Sarah(1), then with his second wife Keturah(6).
From these different sons came different tribes of people. The people of the Arabian penninsula are said to be descendents of Ismael (Hagar's son). The Isrealites and Edomites are descendents are descendents of Isaac (Sarah's son). The sons of Keturah, all 6, were sent "away from Isaac, to the east", and their descendents are not known.
The Jewish people, the Isrealites, are therefore only ONE branch of Abraham's family. The religious system of the Jews belongs to one branch of Abraham's family, and was developed almost 500 years after Abraham's death (through Moses at Sinai).
2007-12-20 23:53:59 · answer #3 · answered by MamaBear 6 · 2⤊ 1⤋
The genealogies given in Scripture go through Abraham. The Jews take great pride in tracing their family lines back to the twelve tribes that descended from Abraham.
Even a cursory read through Genesis should demonstrate that truth. Just encase you need further proof you can look at the genealogy given in Matthew and Luke and if you still need further proof then check out Hebrews.
Hope that helps.
2007-12-20 23:35:31 · answer #4 · answered by gilliamichael 3 · 1⤊ 2⤋
he wasn't born jewish. he was the original convert. thats part of the whole point.
Abraham's father was an idolmaker.
and depending on how you look at it, abraham wouldn't count as being "jewish" but rather sorta a proto-jewish God -faithfulness sorta belief system.
edit: lol, it depends on your definition! in the strictest semantic sense, "Jew" probably wouldn't be an accurate term.
I'm pretty sure mustlims use a retroactive defintiion to say that he was muslim, lol, (more of a descriptive definition, that someone who has a certain faithfulness qulifies as muslim or something to that sort of logic)
where in a more practical sense, what most people think of as "Jewish" he would probably count more "Jewish" than anything else. I wouldn't be suprised if theres some official term for it. but its kinda like how Noah wasn't jewish either, but he DID have belief in the same diety. in the case of abraham it would be much closer to jewishness as we know it though.
its an issue of definitions. if it could even apply, let alone be proven.
2007-12-20 23:31:25 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
Genesis 14:13
"And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram."
The word Hebrew is used here - the first time in the Old Testament.
Hebrew = So called from Eber (Genesis 11:14, Compare Genesis 10:21, 39:14, 41:12, Numbers 24:24) from abar, "to pass on" = he who passed over from beyond i.e. beyond the Euphrates (Josh. 24:2)
2007-12-20 23:57:44 · answer #6 · answered by good day 4 · 1⤊ 2⤋
This would be more of a logic question. Abraham, being the first one, would you consider him Jewish? I would.
How about Noah? Was he Jewish? Certainly he is in heaven...he's a pre-Jew Jew, sort of...
Rather than get bound up by things like this, go be kind to someone today.
2007-12-20 23:38:09 · answer #7 · answered by Richard F 6 · 2⤊ 2⤋
No. I can't for he wasn't.
Before Abraham was Abraham, he was Abram and he was an idol worshipping heathen. This is how he was raised in Ur. Not until he was "called by God" to do his thing was Abe changed over to the one, true God.
Back then, contracts between people were established and fixed with covenants. Abe knew about covenants. God called him into a covenantal relationship and the first real monotheistic religion was born. This was not Judaism. It was one-on-one relationship. It hasn't stopped yet.
2007-12-20 23:38:05 · answer #8 · answered by craig b 7 · 2⤊ 2⤋
No we cannot, he was a Hebrew = One who crossed over.
The word Jew comes from Judah/Judeans, Judah came long
after Avraham so he could not have been a Jew. Gen14:13
One who escaped came & told Avraham the Hebrew.
Judah means Praise, so if you want to claim that, he did
Praise YHWH but that does not make him a Jew.
Jew = lineage of Judah.
2007-12-20 23:48:09 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
THE WORD JEW WAS A GLENT ,A GLEAM , A SPARKLE in Abrahams EYE, but He was not a Jew. Soo Noooo
2007-12-21 00:22:21 · answer #10 · answered by Bob d 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋