Jesus. A paradox?

Question

Alright all you christians out there. I've found a paradox in you beliefs. Here it is:

Jesus was born, preached a way of life, was crucified and rose again. In doing this he absolved all his believers of their sins. Ok, thats a nice story, BUT... Who killed Jesus? Lets say for a moment that it was the Pharisees and the Romans who were responsible. That would mean that none of this was in "gods" plan and that would also mean that it would be impossible for his blood to cleans anybody of their sins. However If GOD was responsible for the death of his own son, outright causing the circumstances of his death. Then the "dying for our sins" part might make a little more sense.

So christians which was it?

God is a loving being?
Or Jesus died for your sins?

Both cannot be true.

No scripture please. I've read it all before.

Answer 1

This is yet another contradiction of religion; the variety of which has brought me to the conclusion of atheism.

Though Christians often claim, and in some cases DO in fact believe, that everything is correct and sesical, it often is not, from an unbiased perspective.

Answer 2

God/dess' glory would immediately cause the death of a person who came into His/Her presence with sin in their life. Therefore, there had to be a substitute. It has nothing to do with being loving or unloving. This is why the sins of Israel were placed on the animal sacrifices before Christ.

I have scripture and Jewish historical evidence to back this up, but you said you don't want that, so I will comply.

EDIT:
Bruno, your assertion that Christians caused the Holocaust is totally off-base. Don't you think some of military men and women who served in WWII to save the Jews were Christians? Most Christians do not hate Jews, as the Bible tells us specifically that God will bless the person who loves His chosen people. Also, a lot of Christians do not hate Judas...I don't.

You are ignorant in your vicious accusations and stereotypes.

Answer 3

First of all,the Roman governor washed his hands of the matter, and left it up to the people to decide.The people/crowd, Judeans or residents of Judea, not necessarily Jews wanted Him crucified.You can be sure the ones that were screaming crucify Him were kenites,or sons of Cain.Who was Cain's father. The Devil, satan.Thus, satan's offspring were ultimately responsible. The kenites even sat in the seat of Moses.As priests (Pharisees),this is spoken of in many places in the Bible.It was a conspiracy, in which He was falsely accused,and put to death.God allowed this to happen,because it was part of a much bigger plan. The negative part thus allowing the positive part to become a reality.
God is love,and Jesus did die for our sins.Both are true,so go back and study some more. You obviously need a good teacher of the Word.Your beginning to sound like the Pharisees.

Answer 4

Christianity is full of paradoxes. The Greek Fathers that formulated many of the doctrines looked at paradox as essential to describing the nature and actions of God: if you could explain it rationally, it must be an oversimplification of the Supreme Being. Only a paradox allows us to appreciate that God is beyond human comprehension.

If you want a strictly rational Christianity, try Liberal Protestantism.

Peace to you.

Answer 5

Little do you understand. God and Jesus and The Holy Spirit are a trinity. They are all one. God is Jesus' son, but they are so close that they are one. Therefore, God loved us so much He gave us His Son, and through that, He gave Jesus a chance to prove His love for us. For you cinics out there who choose to sit and try to find a paradox, you should probably study up a little more, because people have been looking for ages. There are none. Believe it or not, both are indeed true.

Answer 6

God is all seeing and all knowing according to religion.

Judas should be a hero because he allowed God's will to make him the most reviled name in Christian history. Christians are ridiculous to hate the man that allowed for Christ's death.

This hatred of Christians for Judas and the Jews did lead to the Holocaust an, according to Christians God knew this.


To "the girl who calls me ignorant";

No country in WWll went to war with any thought, what-so-ever, of saving the Jews. Please, read your history.

The only reason the US went to war in WWll was because the Japanese (Japan & the US) were already vying for control in the South Pacific) bombed Pearl Harbor (a US naval base in a foreign country about 3,000 mile away from the US).

Before Japan attacked the US was making all kinds of profit selling arms to the war in Europe. Some still claimed the US sold also to the Germans.

Christians in eastern Europe especially but world wide also, hated the Jews claiming they killed Christ. This fact remains volatile in Eastern Europe and, to some degree, in the US also.

When the US went to war with Japan the Allies sent naval forces to help the US and the US sent forces to help in Europe. If the US had acted as a friend and an ally to the cause in Europe at the beginning then WWll would have been over quicker and hundreds of thousands of Jews and Gypsies etc would have been saved from starvation, forced labour, being gassed and vivi-section.

Answer 7

this is what i think...

God is a being outside of time and space, therefore He can see the future.
we have free will. we have free will, because without it, there would not be any point to life and what God calls us to be would not be true.
the scripture says that the people were the ones that put Christ to death. Pontius had Christ and a murderer, and though Pontius did not want to have Christ killed, the people chanted His name, so he was chosen to be crucified.
so...we killed Him. we killed the one that loves us most.

God's plan is for us to be with Him. He has His will, but we often times don't act accordingly...

so in summary. God has a plan, but we don't always want to obey. and Christ died, because He loves us.

Answer 8

Not much of a paradox considering that it was God's plan and purpose to send the messiah to Israel as a blood sacrifice. Read Isaiah 53 and then come back to see if any part of your question makes any sense much less possessing "paradox" status. Try again, dude.

Answer 9

God the Father killed God the Son.

Answer 10

there is no paradox right here. what's being defined is a humanity that lives in an amoral universe that's no longer in charge for its movements yet is in charge for its alliances and the alliances could be with the main effective. for this reason some undesirable human beings flow to heaven with the coolest and why some good human beings flow to hell with the undesirable -- it fairly is no longer what you do yet who you be attentive to. relatively, JC is a shopper. A extra strictly monotheistic view might call for that each and every physique all of us is equivalent in the previous G-d this is the theory of Judaism. with the aid of Jewish connection you have JC telling human beings approximately usual love yet a super number of it fairly is contradicted via the assumption of being "saved." So the optimal variety of JC worship is to mimic JC and defy the dogmas that would have added practitioners to JC interior the 1st place. i think of for this reason such multiple xtians purely have not got faith in hell anymore.