How do you know Lucifer was Satan? How do you know Isaiah 14 is talking about Satan?

Question

Doesn't Isaiah 14 talk about the King of Babylon? There have been several kings of Babylon. I believe the recent one who was King while Isaiah was writing it was Nebuchadnezzar.

Where's the proof that Lucifer was Satan?

Isn't Revelations for things to come? Things that haven't happened yet? Plus, who is the woman that the dragon was going to devour? Did this all happen before Satan fell? This was mentioned before it talked about Satan falling.

Answer 1

The Scriptures never refer to Satan specifically as a "morning star". The Scripture which some mistakenly apply to Satan is actually referring to the king of Babylon. The Scripture is quite clear, and even the supposed name "Lucifer" is a mistranslation of the sarcastic term "shining one" as a reference to the Babylonian king's former glory.

(Isaiah 14:4,12) [The prophet Isaiah] must raise up this proverbial saying against the king of Babylon and say:... O how you have fallen from heaven, you shining one, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth, you who were disabling the nations!


However, the Scriptures do refer to all angels as "morning stars" and "sons of God", such as in describing the angelic response to the creation of Earth by Jehovah God.

(Job 38:4,7) Where did you happen to be when [Jehovah] founded the earth? ...When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?


Jesus is elevated as much more than a typical angel by the unique designations "the bright morning star" and "archangel".

(Revelation 22:16) I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star.

(Numbers 24:17) A star will certainly step forth out of Jacob, And a scepter will indeed rise out of Israel.

(1 Thessalonians 4:14-16) Jesus died and rose again, so, too... the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice

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Answer 2

You do not understand the prophetic devices of the prophetic word. There is a local word, then a far reaching word. Yes, the local was indeed the king of Babylon, the far reaching word is in regard to what happened in heaven during the fall. The same thing happed regarding the king of Tyre in Ezekiel 28:12-14. Can you tell me when the king of Tyre was ever in the Garden of Eden?

And really, who is the REAL king of Babylon? Daniel 10:13 will tell you.

As for proof that Lucifer is indeed Satan. Compare verse 12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer..." with what Jesus said in Luke 10:18... “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."

That may not be enough for you, but it is for me.
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"Isn't Revelations for things to come?"
Yes and no. The word "revelation" means "unveiling". Yes, it is mostly about the church era, then after chapter 4 the post church tribulation. But it also uses much of the Tonakh (old testament) to shoulder its prophetic devices. Satan is identified as "the devil", "the dragon", "the serpent", "Abbadon", and "Appolion". It's all the same destroyer of mankind.

Answer 3

Nebuchadnezzar was in Daniels time. Nebuchadnezzar had Daniel interpret his dreams.

Isaiah written in: Jerusalem
Completed: After 732 B.C.E
Time covered: c.778 after 732 B.C.E.

Daniel written: Babylon
Completed: c. 536 B.C.E.
Time Covered: 618- c.536 B.C.E.
Isaiah and Daniel are periods at least 114 years apart.

Okay, now to answer your excellent questions in some detail and I did some homework on these so I can be accurate as possible.

If you are skeptical about Lucifer being Satan than you are right to be. Satan is named and described in various ways such as Devil, Tempter, The father of the lie, The dragon, Serpent and such.
Now the name Lucifer occurs once in the Scriptures and only in some versions of the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”
The pride of the Babylonian rulers indeed reflected the attitude of “the god of this system of things”—Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4) He too lusts for power and longs to place himself above God. But Lucifer is not a name Scripturally given to Satan. Reason? That the description “shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: “Down to Sheol you will be brought.” Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover, those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: “Is this the man that was agitating the earth?” Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.—Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16.

The time of Revelation as reached to time right now and the future.
The dragon has already been hurled to the earth causing woe. Mankind is in a turmoil and the earth is being ruined on scales never before seen (Rev 12:7-9). Since 1914 the casualties of war in these last 94 years have been the bloodiest ever in human history and weapons technology are the most deadliest.

The woman is God's symbolic wife or heavenly organization. But Satan cannot devour her since he is cast to the vicinity of the earth so he goes after the woman's seed on earth and using his rulership of the earth (1 John 5:19) persecutes the true Christians who earth-wide spread the good news of the kingdom as foretold in Daniel 2:44 that God's kingdom will crush all human governments and a heavenly government will rule over the entire earth with Jesus as king with 144,000 co-rulers chosen from the earth (See Rev 14:1-4)

The symbolic child that the dragon wanted to devour was Jesus Christ but couldn't since he was caught away to God's throne to be installed as king so Christ (Michael) battled the dragon (Satan) and threw the him to the vicinity of the earth along with his other demons. At last, the heavens were cleansed and now the earth is waiting to be cleansed too (see also Matt 6:10) and Satan knows he has a short period of time (see Rev 12:12) and has a great anger. Since he has been banished from heaven he goes after the earthly people who follow God's commandments and attempts to destroy the kingdom preaching work (Rev 12:17).
Satan uses persecution powers of religion and governments to try and hinder and trouble the teaching of God's kingdom (see Matt 24:9). Kingdom preachers will be hated by the nations.

Answer 4

Is 14 (and Ez 28) are debatable as to whether they refer to Satan. Some of the descriptions, if interpreted with a strictly wooden literalism, could not apply to any human king.

Answer 5

The only spirit who visited the Garden of Eden and tempted Eve was satan. This is why we know lucifer is satan.

Answer 6

lucifer is just a name adopted by christians for the devil. lucifer originally had a very good connotation, as it was the name for the planet venus, also know as the light bearer (or something of that sort) because it rises just before the sun does. and so it was very important to the greeks, romans, etc. now you remember what christianity did to the poor pagans religious icons (such as pentagrams for witchcraft, etc.)? they adopted them into their religion and made them represent evil. this is what they did to the name lucifer.

Answer 7

Dual fulfillment of prophecy is the term. Read it with Rev 12:8-10 and that should help.

Answer 8

Ezekiel 27 or 29 speaks of the Prince of Tyre, a good reference to satan.
Tie Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel together...

Answer 9

Lucifer has gone by many names. By many cultures. Lucifer was the name given to him by the Romans. Loki by the Norse, Enki by the Sumerians, EA is another good one. Satan was the word for adversary or enemy in Hebrew. Considering he was the enemy of the Jews he was given that name too.

Answer 10

The Jews from what I understand don't even believe there is a Satan... well, at least not like the Christians view him.