Why do people still post the swindle video as a source, when even Channel 4 now says it's nonsense?

Question

Check it out. Channel 4 not only says it's wrong.

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/index.html

They post links to legitimate sources of information. They have a way to "ask a scientist". His bio:

Professor John F B Mitchell OBE FRS is Met Office Director of Climate Science. He gained a BSc honours degree in applied mathematics in 1970 and a PhD in theoretical physics in 1973, both from Queen's University, Belfast.

In 1978, he took charge of the climate change group in what is now the Met Office's Hadley Centre for Climate Change. He is a leading expert in climatic effects of increases in greenhouse gases and related pollutants.

He's a leading member of the IPCC.

His answer, of course, is that the movie is flat wrong and global warming is mostly caused by us.

They've done everything short of suing Durkin for fraud. Or posting the savage criticism of the movie from the British press.

DANA - Someone just referenced it. I saw the new Channel 4 stuff a while back, and saw no reason to post it, for the reason you gave.

Answer 1

Due to legal reasons the programme has had to be removed from websites and the broadcast version and DVD version significantly re-edited. Not just once but four times so far, the current version being substantially different to the original one.

The fact that it's completely wrong and has been debunked many, many times over is of little consequence to many skeptics who quite happily refer to, and quote from the movie only too well aware that it's wrong. Presumably in the hope that their audience isn't aware of the facts. Such behaviour is tantamount to lying and deception, but as you'll be only too well aware, this isn't an uncommon trait amongst many climate change skeptics.

Here's Martin Durkin (the TV producer who wrote 'Swindle') being interviewed on Australia's ABC, the second link is to a transcript of the interview. The interview has been described as "Tony Jones massacres any shred of credibility Durkin may have had left. It's a total train-wreck."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjGynF4qkE
http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/Martin%20Durkin%20interviewed%20by%20Tony%20Jones,%20July%202007.pdf

Answer 2

Because it's a video and it's on the internet and it says global warming is a giant hoax, so it must be right. It has a dramatic soundtrack and a narrator and everything!

Plus it has interviews with great scientists like Tim "the Fraud" Ball and John "whoops, I screwed that up, but make sure you keep the interview in the film anyway" Christy.

To be fair, I haven't seen anyone directly reference the Swindle in a long time. Its popularity has pretty much petered out.

I recommend watching Trevor's link to the Durkin interview. It's loads of fun watching Durkin try to maintain a slimmer of credibility when directly asked about the film's deceptive tactics.

Answer 3

If you could find a way to deny that your lifestyle was a problem, wouldn't you?

Tell people what they want to hear, and they will follow you anywhere.

Answer 4

They're trying to create doubt with all they have at their disposal.

Answer 5

Climate Change Rallies, Realities, and Sacrifices

By Paul Driessen

Tuesday, December 18, 2007

The mantra is repeated daily. There is consensus on climate change. Global warming is real. It will be a disaster. Humans are to blame. We have to do something – immediately.
However, the consensus of 100 scientists is undone by one fact, Albert Einstein noted. The United Nations and its Climate Cataclysm army of 15,000 in exotic Bali clearly understood that.

They were not about to let even one fact prevent them from promoting climate scares and a successor to the Kyoto treaty. Gloom-and-doom scientists and bureaucrats owned Bali’s podiums. Radical environmentalists fumed and staged stunts. Al Gore denounced President Bush, repeated myths that enthralled the Academy and Nobel committees, and demanded sacrifices – by others.

Meanwhile, respected climate scientists were barred from panel discussions, censored, silenced and threatened with physical removal by polizei, if they tried to hold a press conference to present peer-reviewed evidence on climate, such as:

Climate change is natural and recurrent. The human factor is small compared to that of the sun and other natural forces. There has been no overall global warming since 1998, and most local and regional warming trends have been offset by nearby cooling. A half-degree of net warming since 1900 (amid a number of ups and downs) does not foreshadow a catastrophe. Recent glacial retreats, sea-level rise and migrations of temperature sensitive species are all within the bounds of known natural variability.

The best approach is to adapt, as our ancestors did. Money and resources devoted to futile climate prevention actions would be better spent on malaria, AIDS, poverty and other pressing problems. Perhaps most important, no country can progress or prosper without abundant, reliable, affordable energy that would be in short supply if draconian climate laws are implemented.

UN alarmists would not tolerate such heresies. They blamed every regional weather and climate blip on human emissions, and trotted out computer scenarios that they insist “prove” we must take drastic actions to avert Armageddon.

But computer models do a poor job of incorporating our still poor grasp of complex and turbulent oceanic, atmospheric and solar processes. They are based on conjecture about future technologies and emissions, and cannot predict climate shifts even one year in the future, much less 50 or 100. They simply produce “scenarios” and “projections” of what might happen under assorted assumptions – enabling alarmists to trumpet the most alarming outputs to support drastic action.

Those scenarios are evidence of climate chaos the way “Jurassic Park” proves dinosaurs can be cloned from DNA trapped in prehistoric amber.

However, Bali negotiators insisted that the world faces a climate crisis that can be averted only by slashing greenhouse gas emissions. Ultimately, they could agreed only to “deep cuts” by 2050, with definitions to be written later by countries that are not about to commit economic suicide. Many environmentalists and members of Congress nonetheless continue to demand CO2 reductions of up to 40% below current emission levels by 2020 – and 80% or more by 2050.

It’ll be easy, they insist. Rubbish, Even a 25-40% reduction over the next twelve years would impose major sacrifices on families, workers and communities, especially poor ones – while leaving no room for population or economic growth.
Fossil fuels provide 85% of the energy we use. Slashing emissions by even 25% means slashing the use of these fuels, paying vastly more to control and sequester emissions, and radically altering lifestyles and living standards. Families will do so voluntarily, or under mandatory rationing systems, enforced by EPA, courts, climate police and “patriotic” snitches. Getting beyond 25% would require a “radical transformation” of life as we know it.

Senator Joe Lieberman admits his “climate protection” bill would cost the United States “hundreds of billions” of dollars. Economist Arthur Laffer calculates that “cap-and-trade” schemes would reduce economic growth and penalize average American families $10,800 in lost income by 2020.
That’s on top of the $2000 in higher energy costs that US families have endured since 1998 – and the 11% extra that USA Today says average households will pay this winter compared to a year ago. Higher energy costs will increase the price of everything we eat, drive, buy and do.

Reaching or exceeding 25% targets could require transformations like these.

Parking your car – and riding a bike. You’d get to work and the grocery in better shape – and guilt-free if you don’t exhale.

Disconnecting air conditioners and setting thermostats to 50 degrees all winter. Swim suits and UnderArmor are excellent substitutes.

Eating all leftovers. Seattle has decreed that by 2009 single-family homes must recycle all table scraps – because their decomposition generates greenhouse gases – or have their garbage collection terminated.

Shutting down coal and gas power plants, and replacing them with new nuclear plants or forests of gargantuan wind turbines. Blanketing Connecticut with turbines could meet New York City’s electricity needs, and covering Texas and Louisiana could satisfy US needs, at least when the wind is blowing, says Rockefeller University professor Jesse Ausubel.

Closing paper mills and factories. Perhaps newly unemployed workers could find jobs in China and other developing countries, where the tough emission standards won’t apply – or in the new carbon-free economy that politicians promise will arise once climate bills are enacted.
Closing dairy and poultry farms. Producing meat accounts for 18% of all greenhouse gas emissions, so this would make both greens and PETA happy.

Adopting “sustainable green technologies,” like the treadle-powered irrigation pumps environmentalists are sending to poor countries, to replace diesel pumps. An Indian villager toiling on his eco-bicycle for three years could offset the CO2 from one jetliner full of environmentalists heading to Bali.
An appropriately green solution would be requiring that climate confabs be via video-conference – from Albania or Zambia, to discourage attendance by bureaucrats and activists. We might also insist that politicians eschew private jets and take Smart Cars to campaign and global warming rallies.

Meanwhile, China is adding the equivalent of another Germany every year to global greenhouse emissions, says climatologist Roger Pielke. Thus, if CO2 really does cause climate change, all these sacrifices might prevent global temperatures from rising 0.2 degrees.

Adapting to whatever heat, cold, floods, droughts and storms nature (or mankind) might bring seems a much saner and less costly course of action.


Paul Driessen is the author of Eco-Imperialism: Green Power - Black Death.