Does Jesus in same chapter (of John), say that I , father, and all of you (12 deciphers) are One.
Does it mean that there are 14 Gods one should worship.
2007-12-18 08:40:01 · 15 answers · asked by freetothink 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
no ...three parts to the Trinity
2007-12-18 08:47:06 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 4⤋
EXCELLENT!
It means "One in purpose and will".
Jesus actually died. God CANNOT die.
You are on the right track and should praise the Father every day for leading you into the truth. Not many will ever reach the place you have attained. Men didn't teach you that truth...it came from the Father. Just don't let other men dissuade you from the truth you have been shown. The Messiah MUST be a man, or how else could we be freed from the curse that was brought by a man?
I'm so very happy for you!
2007-12-18 09:04:40 · answer #2 · answered by NXile 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Here's the context:
John 10:
30 I and the Father are one."
31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,
32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
2007-12-18 09:51:42 · answer #3 · answered by Steve Amato 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Dear Friend,
Your interpretation is even out of context. According to context and interpretation of the Greek it is written in, Jesus is not speaking of some communal purpose. He is speaking of His divine nature as God. This is the interpretation that has been handed down from Jesus to His Apostles who heard it, those who have written it with this meaning after them (e.g.) Luke, and is passed along to the Early Fathers of the Church, and continues to mean this in the Catholic Church today.
The reason why we rely on the letters of the Early Fathers is because they were closer to the time of Christ than us and therefore would have a better grasp of how to interpret "I and the Father are One." than us who are two thousand plus years removed from that time.
To help you understand I suggest you find the writings of Gregory of Nyssa on "Why we should not say there are three gods".
However, if you cannot find such a resource I will offer a thumbnail sketch of his argument.
When we speak of God we speak of His nature. When we speak of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit we are speaking of the persons within the one Godhead. Now we can show how this works by ourselves as examples.
When I speak of humanity I speak of our one nature as human beings. And when I speak of God I am speaking of God's one nature. However, when I speak or call your name I am addressing your person and not your nature. And when I am speaking of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit I am addressing their person and not their one nature.
If your name DID address your nature, then when I call you I would also be calling the rest of humanity. No one would know whom I am addressing. As it is when I call your name I am speaking to you; the individual person. And since your name addresses your individual person, it cannot be anyone else's. Only your person is spoken to. So, it is with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I address the person of the Father and therefore the Father cannot be the Son or Holy Spirit. And the same applies to Son and Spirit.
And so, when Jesus says, "The Father and I are One." He is not addressing or speaking about His personage, but His nature. Hope this has been helpful. May the Lord bless and keep you. May the light of His face shine upon you.
God's and your beast of burden
Fr. john
2007-12-18 09:19:19 · answer #4 · answered by som 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The trinity doctrine, if squeezed into the Bible, never produces a TRInity. There's always more you could add.
At John 17: 20, 21 it makes mention, not only of the apostles, but also of ALL who would put faith in him.
"I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; in order that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be ONE in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me"
That's like 3,000 baptised at Pentecost, all the thousands added along the centuries, plus those still alive today and those yet to be born.....
My- is the BILLIONITY HUGE!!!!!!
2007-12-18 08:43:43 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Joh 10:29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck out of My Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and the Father are One!
Joh 10:31 Then again the Jews took up stones, that they might stone Him.
The Jews knew what He meant. He and the Father are deity, of the same substance. By saying this, He committed blasphemy according to the Jews.
2007-12-18 08:46:18 · answer #6 · answered by BrotherMichael 6 · 2⤊ 3⤋
The Jews who heard Jesus say this understood him claiming to be God. That's why they tried to stone him for blasphemy (John 10:31-33).
2007-12-18 08:48:54 · answer #7 · answered by Averell A 7 · 1⤊ 2⤋
As you are one with me, I am one with the Father. Looks like we're all a part of the Trinity.
2007-12-18 08:46:58 · answer #8 · answered by Shawn B 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
When you ask a Christian if jesus (peace be upon Him) say He is God?
They say yes and they quote the same verse, "I and Father are one". It actually means they are one in puropose. Second verse that you mentioned clears it all.
2007-12-18 08:49:44 · answer #9 · answered by NoNick 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
NO they are one in that they have the same thing in mind, they want the same things. people tend to join things together when the bible says WE ARE ONE, just as in the case of the trinity.
2007-12-18 08:44:37 · answer #10 · answered by charlotte626 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
No, because there is only one TRUE God which would be that God would be schizophrenic otherwise. Plus, I don't think Jesus ever told the 12 deciples that they are one with God. We are heirs because God has adopted us.
2007-12-18 08:48:48 · answer #11 · answered by Sakura 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋