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We do those things because we love the Lord, not to be saved.

Ephesians 2 explains it clearly. Works are not to be saved. Works are God working through us.

Well Catholics believe the same thing so are they not saved

2007-12-18 00:31:11 · 34 answers · asked by Benny 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Here is the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification by Catholics (1999), Lutherans (1999), and Methodists (2006):

By grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping us and calling us to good works.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html

With love in Christ.

2007-12-18 17:31:16 · answer #1 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 3 1

Like the apostle Paul Catholics are working out their salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).

Jesus required the works of baptism (Mark 16:16; John 3:5), self-renunciation (e.g., Matt 5:3, 10), repentance (Matt 3:2; 4:17; 18:8-9; Mark 9:42-48), obedience to God, doing what is right and just (e.g., Luke 10:25-28; Matt 19:17; Matt 25), adopting the humility of a child (Matt 18:3-4; 19:14), eating the bread of life (John 6:51, 53-54), and endurance to the end (Matt 10:22, 24:13; Mark 13:13, Luke 21:16-18).

Those trying to please God by faith alone are not in obedience to all the above requirements. Faith alone is only mentioned once in the entire Bible, in James 2:24: "You see that a person is justified by what he does and NOT by faith alone."

Cheers,
Bruce

PS: Interesting admission from Chris that he is posting the same dishonest calumny again and again, just to get two points. I hope the real evangelical Christians will distance themselves from this phony.

2007-12-18 02:20:10 · answer #2 · answered by Bruce 7 · 5 0

There are the saved and not so saved in every Christian denomination.When we look into the old testament we even see those who never heard of Baptism or Confirmation go to heaven. Also the thief on the cross was never baptized or confirmed and never did good works Didn't have any statues to pray to etc . But he met Christ and went to paradise and skipped right over purgatory ..To be saved you must believe in Christ and what He did for you , and except His gift .. Even those who believe on my name shall be saved, but he that believe not shall be damned.You can't work your way into heaven but you sure can to get to hell So what it all boils down to is a matter of the heart. If you just excepted Christ as your saviour and believe , and crossed the street and got killed you would go to heaven .Thats how much you are loved

2016-05-24 21:26:17 · answer #3 · answered by ? 3 · 0 0

zeedikiah, really liked your response on being Jewish. I'm an agnostic, but was raised in a very orthodox Roman Catholic faith. Your observations are very astute. Catholics and Protestants can't seem to use "logic" or "reason". They've been taught those Gospels are "inerrant", but every scholar of any ilk, for centuries now, have demonstrated they aren't. They contradict etc. It's the fear of fire, that their mamas and daddys unknowingly, molested their little minds with, that forces them to try and make sense out of that stuff. That a fair and just God is behind those writings, in toto, is inconceivable? Maybe pieces of inspiration? ... but not totally. Saw some old movie where this guy came out screaming that God had saved him. This younger guy responded, that his God hadn't saved him at all, but rather left him mad???

2007-12-18 01:08:17 · answer #4 · answered by JIMMY 3 · 1 1

It's amazing to me how many non-Catholic Christians are so endlessly preoccupied with whether or not members of another Christian denomination, group, sect, etc. are "saved" -- as if it's a wholesale thing, and not the very individual "personal" experience they claim. Seems a contradiction. Conviction and conversion are the provinces of the Holy Spirit; I daresay that He is not limited by sect or label. Nor is His grace. So pronouncing an entire group "unsaved" is rather presumptuous, as it is judging the state of another's soul without the qualifications to do so.

2007-12-18 02:05:33 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 4 0

you know i am of the Baptist faith. I know I am Saved. But as a christian i believe some of these people are being terribly arrogant on here. I think a true christian should not Judge the whole religion based on the actions of some of their followers or thier priests. I was always taught that they believe on Christ the Savior,that he is the son of God, that he died on the Cross to save us from our own sin, that they must accept him to gain salvation. Does that not constitute salvation or a Christian faith? I happen to know that even among us Baptists there is disagreement on many of the other details. like the millinnial kingdom(1000 yr reign of christ here on earth). i believe in this, but i know other baptist that do not believe in that. some believe they too can fall from grace. Does that mean they will if they were truely saved. the point is who are we to judge thier salvation or not. we are not God. only they and the savior knows thier fate.

2007-12-18 00:52:04 · answer #6 · answered by awaiting_his_return 2 · 2 0

The Bible does not teach automatic salvation.
John 3:36 states:"He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life,he that disobeys the Son will not see life,but the wrath of God remains upon him".
Matt.24:13:"He that endures to the end will be saved."
The entire provision for salvation is an expression of God's underserved kindness.There is no way a descendent of Adam can gain salvation on his own,no matter how noble his works are.Salvation is a gift from God given to those who put faith in the sin-atoning value of the sacrifice of his Son.

2007-12-18 00:51:01 · answer #7 · answered by lillie 6 · 4 0

Yes."As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)."

2007-12-18 00:49:37 · answer #8 · answered by TheoMDiv 4 · 4 2

Lol, Chris, the agent of Satan strikes again. He claims to know more about the Catholic religion than the Catholics. He also thinks he is saved. Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. Chris masquerades as a Christian but if you read his posts he spreads lies and hatred. He is as holy as his Westboro Baptist colleagues.

2007-12-18 00:53:22 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 6 0

Any Catholic that repents of their sin, confesses to the Lord(not some man), and receives the Lord Jesus as their personal Savior will be saved according to the scriptures. It is a very personal decision and experience. Contrary to what many protestant believers think, there are "saved" Catholics. Why they choose to remain in the Catholic church is a mystery though. Perhaps to lead others to Christ, perhaps to not upset the family, who knows? The important thing is that people in all religions can be saved if they experience Jesus.

2007-12-18 00:38:23 · answer #10 · answered by Joyful Noise 5 · 3 4

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