Agree or disagree? JWs reject anything they cannot explain, for example, the Trinity, the deity of Christ,?

Question

hell, and immortality of the soul.

There was something about this question earlier because JWs reported it and it got deleted. I am pretty confident I will get it back, but just in case...

KS: And why you ask a question when you do not have your e-mail open?

Look at our other questions for JWs, you start to see the difference. They want to be different, and they are.

Wink Winleman: Yes, they explain it very well for themselves, but their explanation does not explain the Biblical Trinity

Perplexe: We understand those theories, and we do not have to even agree with each other. The minimum to accept from the Bible is John 3:16.

I choose to believe in the Genesis record, Jesus confirmed it.

Adam: The best way to know Trinity is to allow the Holy Spirit of God to reveal it to you. People who do not allow that, they do not understand Trinity.

Destructive criticism: LOL

Mommyof 1: Let the Holy Spirit of God to guide you.

Many people gets to understand the Trinity, you can do. Do not rely on your own understanding.

Winkle..: No, they do not explain anything. You have free will to believe them if you wish.

Answer 1

True or wait on new light!

Answer 2

Jesus is the Father as well as the son. Isa. 9 :6 he is called the everlasting Father. The whole purpose of Johns Gospel is to explain and give Jesus claim to be Yahweh God of the Old Testament. Zech. 12-14 gives the God talk about being both the father and the Son. However the common term trinity is misunderstood by many and therefore leaves it open to false definitions which are picked up by anti trinitarian groups like the JW's. They were influenced by a book in 1868 called the two Babylon's by Hyslop. I have it on my computer. The other book which was popular in the 1800's was Earths earliest ages which dealt with the soul in the blood issue. Although there is evidence of Biblical support from the Hebrew text for this one it is also highly questionable whether the Hebrews understood the concepts which they were espounding. They also had the seat of the emotions in the Kidneys. Check out the margin in most texts.
The early church afirmed "Of One substance with the Father". Council of Nicea 325 AD and any thing less is heretical.

Answer 3

On the contrary, Jehovah's Witnesses explain very well and very precisely why there is no such thing as the trinity, and why it's a false teaching of Christendom.

www.watchtower.org - Go there and look up those very subjects. They are clearly explained away, using the Bible.

For example: "Is the Trinity Clearly a Bible Teaching?" (http://www.watchtower.org/e/ti/article_03.htm)

"What Really is Hell?" (http://www.watchtower.org/e/20020715/article_02.htm)

"Is the Soul Immortal?" (http://www.watchtower.org/e/19970515/article_02.htm)

(Incidentally, if you get a question or comment removed, you have no way of knowing who reported and why. So don't assume it was any of Jehovah's Witnesses who did it.)

EDIT: You don't make any sense, Nina. The Jehovah's Witnesses explain why there is NO "biblical trinity" (as you put it). There isn't one, and they explain why there isn't. They explain it fully. If people wish to be deceived by Satan into believing false teachings like the trinity, which the Bible does NOT support, that's their business.

Answer 4

I thought the Trinity doctrine is what is considered a "mystery", which can't be explained, because it doesn't make sense...

Jehovah's Witnesses believe the bible, not man made doctrines that stem from ancient pagan teachings. The bible is very clear about who is God and who is his Son and what their relationship is and also the condition of the dead and the hope for those who are dead.

Answer 5

Nina seems to have fun on picking on you church guys she knows what buttons she needs to press in her attempt to turn people against Jehovah's Witnesses. She is likened to a fire that lights the fuse. She will shout Trinity like it was a cannon ball and hope your trinitarians will be the cannon to fire it.
She just plays war games as with her side kick Unsilenced Lamb and likes.

It is high time Yahoo junked her off here.
I know, I know she is "saved" man it makes me cringe everytimes she says that after she keeps posting this stuff in Answers.

Answer 6

The trinity IS a teaching of God - the God of this system of things, Satan the Devil. (2 Cor 4:3)

Everything in the bible is explained very clearly and Jehovahs chosen people embrace all bible based truths but reject all man made traditions and teachings (Matt 11:25)

Answer 7

They have an explanation for everything. A lot of their views are extremely warped and out of touch with the reality of the Bible. Their religion seems to be built on a works for salvation basis and they refuse to believe that Jesus Christ is both the Son of God and God as the Bible teaches. When you run through the endless list of their "do's and dont's" they begin to appear as nothing more than just another cult. Ask any JW how they know that they are saved for sure and have eternal life and they will tell you that they don't even though we are clearly told in the Scriptures that all who believe are justified from all things and are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. In short, they call God a liar as they will always tell you that it takes more than God's grace through Jesus Christ to save you, it takes works too. Not so says the Bible; A man is justified by faith alone plus nothing. It is wise to avoid them as we are told in the Bible that we are not to have fellowship with unbelievers and we are not to invite them into our house.
Finally, the gospel of John makes it abundantly apparent that Jesus Christ is God Himself as we read in John Ch.1 v1-2 and coupled with verse 14 which clearly tells us about the true character and nature of Jesus Christ

Answer 8

I am yet to see an explanation or even a BIBLE VERSE about the trinity from people who believe in it.

You yourself just harp "trinity, trinity"- even YOU don't know where to find it in the Bible.

If you did, you'd have posted it long ago.


Your loss.

Answer 9

I don't understand the question. Are you saying that people who claim to believe in the trinity CAN explain it? Because I have yet to meet anyone who can actually coherently tell me what the trinity means.

Answer 10

The Trinitarian contention that “the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and together they make one God” is not in Scripture and is illogical. Trinitarians teach that Jesus is both 100 percent man and 100 percent God. We say that God can do the impossible, but He cannot perform that which is inherently contradictory.

God is the inventor of logic and mathematics, disciplines He created to allow us to get to know Him and His world. It is the very reason why He said that He is “One God,” and why Jesus said that the witness of two was true and then said that he and His Father both were witnesses.

Jesus is very plainly called a man many times in Scripture: John 8:40; Acts 2:22; 17:31; 1 Tim. 2:5, etc. In contrast to this, the Bible says, “God is not a man…” (Numbers 23:19), and “...For I am God, and not man...” (Hosea 11:9).

Numbers 23:19 also specifically says that God is not “a son of man.” In the Gospels, Jesus is often called “a son of man” or “the son of man.” If God became a human being who was called “the son of man” this creates a contradiction.

Man (Adam) caused mankind’s problems, and Romans 5:19 says that a man will have to undo those problems: “For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.” Some theologians teach that only God could pay for the sins of mankind, but the Bible clearly teaches that only a man could do it.

Jesus, the man, is the mediator between God and men. 1 Timothy 2:5 says: “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” Christ is clearly called a “man". Also, if Christ were himself God, he could not be the mediator “between God and man.”

Jesus said, “My Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). In direct contrast to these clear words from Jesus, the orthodox formula of the Trinity says that the Father and the Son are “co-equal.”

Verses that show that God is greater than Christ

Jesus called the Father “my God” both before and after his resurrection (Matt. 27:46; John 20:17; Rev. 3:12). Jesus did not think of himself as God, but instead had a God just as we do. For example, he told Mary Magdalene to go to the brothers and tell them, “I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God” (John 20:17). Thus Jesus’ God is the same God as our God, the Father.

It was God who made Jesus “Lord.” Acts 2:36 says: “God has made this Jesus...both Lord and Christ.” “Lord” is not the same as “God.” “Lord” (the Greek word is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility, and it is used many times in the Bible. If Christ were God, then by definition he was already “Lord,” so for the Bible to say he was “made” Lord could not be true.

In the future, the Son will be subject to the Father. 1 Corinthians 15:28 says: “When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him [God] who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.” Trinitarian dogma contradicts this by making Jesus eternally equal to the Father.

Jesus recognized that the Father was the only true God. In prayer, he said to God “…that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent” (John 17:3). For Jesus to have prayed this way surely meant that he did not consider himself to be “the only true God.”

Philippians 2:6-8 has been mistranslated in many versions, but properly rendered, verse 6 says that Christ “did not consider equality with God something to be grasped.” Jesus Christ was highly exalted by God because he did not seek equality with God like Satan had many years earlier. The statement makes no sense at all if Christ were God, because then Christ would have been praised for not seeking equality with himself.

1 Corinthians 3:23 makes it clear that God is greater than Christ, just as Christ is greater than we are: “…and you belong to Christ; and Christ belongs to God” (NASB).

If God is greater than Christ, then God is his leader just as Christ is our leader. This is exactly what the Bible teaches: “Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God” (1 Cor 11:3). It is obvious from this verse and 1 Cor. 3:23 (above) that the Trinitarian formula that Christ and God are “co-equal” is not biblical.

It was God who did miracles and wonders through Christ. (Matt. 9:8; Acts 2:22; 10:38). If Christ were God, the Bible would simply say that Christ did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Christ.

Trinitarian doctrine teaches that God and Christ (and the Holy Spirit) make up “One God,” but the Bible disagrees with this.

Hebrews 2:10 and 11 say that Jesus is not ashamed to call us his “brothers,” because we have the same Father he does. The Bible teaches that we are “brothers” of Jesus and “sons of God.” The Bible never says or even infers that we are “brothers of God.”

We are commissioned to do “greater works” than Jesus. This would be absurd if Christ were God, because then we disciples would be commissioned to do greater works than God does. John 14:12 (NASB) says: “He who believes in me [Jesus], the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do.”

Answer 11

Disagree, as I stated in my previous question, I am a Jehovah's Witness and I really diligently study the scripture myself, and although I do disagree with some of our teaches, I have not been able to find enough support for the trinity in the bible.

Although some PRO trinity scripture make it "appear" that Jesus is God, careful examination of the entire bible makes the trinity theory nearly IMPOSSIBLE.