Bible Question? Christians?

Question

K. Me and a mormon kid have an argument. I am christian and i asked him "if you guys believe in the same bible and you are not allowed to drink alcohol than how come jesus and his deciples drank wine at his last diner?" He replied with "back then there was no alcohol in wine it was grape juice." does anybody know a verse in the bible that states someone being drunk?

Answer 1

Genesis 9:21 Noah was drunk and unconscious...

1 Samuel 1:13,14,15 Samuel thought Hannah was drunk with wine.

1 Samuel 25:36 Nabal was very drunken...

Job 12:25 a reference to a person who stumbles and gropes in the dark like a"drunken" man...

Psalm 107:27 "They reel to and fro and stagger like drunken men..."

Isaiah 19:14 "...as a drunken man staggereth in his own vomit."

Isaiah 24:20 "The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard..."

Jeremiah 23:9 Jeremiah makes a reference to himself, saying "his bones shake" and that he is like a drunken man and like a man "whom wine has overcome..."

Habakkuk 2:15 mentions woes for taking advantage of your neighbor by getting him drunk on wine.

Acts 2:15 WHen the disciples were filled with the Holy SPirit, it was supposed that they were drunken in the morning hour...

Ephesians 5:18 Don't be drunk with wine...

Answer 2

Jesus made alcoholic wine in Cana, where some of the people got drunk. Jesus drank wine as well, and yes, it was wine that was drank at the first Communion (or Christ's true blood, if you believe as I do). Most people did back then. Grape juice DID NOT EXIST until Dr. Welch invented it. There was ''new wine,'' which was non-alcoholic, but it was still wine. The juice from grapes ferments after several days (*four, if I remember right), so you would have to squeeze grapes on a daily basis to have new wine. Most people drank wine back in those days, simply because the water was not good for people. The alcohol in wine does not allow germs or diseases to live, so wine was the sensible alternative to wellwater. The apostle Paul even instructed Timothy to drink wine because of this in 1 Timothy 5:23. The Bible tells about a few people being drunk, but forbids drunkenness.

Anyone who claims that Jesus and the disciples did not drink alcoholic wine needs to read a history book and find out for themselves. The Bible forbids drunkenness, not a sip of wine here and there.

I did a quick search and found that wine is mentioned at least 242 times in the NKJV translation of the Bible. Here's the link:
http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=wine&searchtype=all&version1=50&spanbegin=1&spanend=73

Answer 3

I'm Mormon, and your friend needs to go back and read D&C 89. This is the reason we don't drink alcohol.

Although technically wine doesn't have to contain alcohol it isn't precluded. There are plenty of instances in the Bible and the Book of Mormon where wine caused drunkenness. When the Word of Wisdom (D&C 89) was given it was given as a suggestion only. Many members of the Mormon church continued to drink alcohol and it wasn't until later that the church developed an attitude (that I agree with fully) that a suggestion from God should be as faithfully heeded as any commandment.

On a final note, it's kinda lame and pointless to attack someones religion. You just get their back against the wall. It might surprise you to find out that you may have many beliefs in common with him. If the Mormon kid believes what the church teaches, then he believes Jesus is the Christ. That only through the Grace of Christ can web saved. That the Bible is true. That morals and values are important. etc...

Do be sure there are points of Doctrine where your beliefs differ drastically. But it's been my experience that these points of doctrine don't mean any thing in the here and now. They don't affect how your or his behavior. You still both believe in doing as Christ taught and loving your neighbor regardless of your differences. Even as the Samaritan showed love to the Jew.

That's not to say that Doctrine isn't important, it just shouldn't be insomuch as your behavior to one another. You can accept a person without believing as they do.

Answer 4

yeah, in Genesis, it said that Noah got drunk. Uh, not sure where this is exactly, but you know how there's headers in some Bibles, just read from the ark on and you'll find it fairly soon.
Also, w/ Jesus making the water into wine the reason that guy was so impressed w/ how good the wine was was because the good wine normally came first when ppl were sober and the bad wine when everyone was drunk and couldn't tell the difference.
still there are verses about not getting drunk (Note: Jesus was not drunk, he merely drank)
and in the new testament when the disciples start speaking in tongues everyone goes, "OMG! They're drunk!" and then Peter goes something like, "It's too early for anyone to be drunk."

Answer 5

There are occurrence's that people have become drunk. I can think of one, not sure exactly where, but it is in the Old Testament.

However, the point I would like to make would be this:
If Jesus drank wine, (with or without alcohol, I think it would not have been anything that disrupts his thinking, he stayed in tune with His Father, and alcohol would hinder that) it doesn't matter.

God continues to guide his children. After Christ ascended unto his father, revelation to man did not cease. In the Old Testament God raised the standard for men to live by when he gave the Law of Moses. God raised the standard for men to live in the New Testament when Jesus came and gave men a greater law. Through a prophet of God, God raises the standard in our days, one thing is taking better care of our bodies, part of which instructs use that strong drink is not for consumption.

Answer 6

There is really no place in the Bible where being drunk is encouraged or condoned (though perhaps overlooked such as in the case of the wedding celebration). Noah was drunk, but it was seen as a bad thing. And in the New Testament it says, "Do not be drunk with wine but be filled with the Holy Spirit." That said, I don't adhere necessarily to the legalistic approach of Mormonism either. And at the wedding, it surely was wine, not grape juice. (If Jesus Himself drank it, I assume He did so without becoming drunk from it).

Answer 7

The Mormon kid is just wrong-- wine was wine. No biblical scholars believe that when the bible says "wine" that it really means "grapejuice." It was grapejuice that was fermented.
They drank it often in place of water, because the alcohol wouldn't cause illness like unclean (still) water would --and water was an extremely rare commodity in those days.

There are a couple of instances in the bible where people are drunk -- and also where drunkenness is discussed. How were all these drunkards getting drunk on grapejuice?

Here's a link to all the times wine is mentioned in the Bible - and it is clearly referring to an alcoholic beverage:

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=wine&version1=31&searchtype=all&limit=none&wholewordsonly=no

Click on get more results to see the rest.

Answer 8

Back then it was IMPOSSIBLE to KEEP grape juice.... A good reference on this is Paul writing the church at Corinth about abuses at communion:
1Co 11:20 When you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat. 21 As you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anyone else. One remains hungry and another gets drunk.

... Mormonism was born out of a time when the "temperance movement" was very strong. In 1874 William Patton wrote a book titled "Bible Wines" in which he claimed to examine ancient evidence from Jewish sources (Talmud, etc.) about the use of alcohol in Biblical times. One of my professors examined the supposed sources cited by Patton and found that about 80% of them either DIDN'T DISCUSS ALCOHOL OR WINE at all, or, SAID THE OPPOSITE of what he claimed. Strangely enough, this book is still in publication and its false claims surface repeatedly because modern authors fail to confirm them.

Someone mentioned the statement of observers on Pentecost saying the apostles were drunk. The Greek text at Acts 2:13 says they have had too much "gleukos," the word from which we get "glucose." This word, sometimes translated "new wine" or "sweet wine" obviously CANNOT, as some claim, mean "grape juice."

Answer 9

No, but the are verses by in the bile about the Goodness of drinking wine, as well as the dangers of over consumption and intoxication.

It has also been proven there was no way to keep juice back in those days without it going rancid , so they would turn it into wine. They did not drink it straight up, but it was mixed with water before drinking, I have read this in the bible.

Sorry I don't remember the exact passages, but i do know Paul talks about the drinking of wine.

Answer 10

Ancient peoples (people of the time of Jesus and everyone else in the Bible) drank wine and beer A LOT. Proven archaeological facts. They did this because the fermentation of wine and beer made them safer to drink than water. Basically it was more sterile or had a lot less bacteria in it. Considering a lot of times they used the bathroom and washed their clothes and stuff near or in their drinking water.

But if people don't want to drink alcohol for religious reasons, than thats great for them. Who cares what other people are doing? It doesn't hurt you any if someone else doesnt want to drink alcohol for religious reasons.

Answer 11

Mt 11:19
The Son of Man came, eating freely and drinking wine -- so they say, `Aha! A glutton and a drunkard! A friend of tax-collectors and sinners!' Well, the proof of wisdom is in the actions it produces."

Eph 5:18
Don't get drunk with wine, because it makes you lose control. Instead, keep on being filled with the Spirit -

1Ti 5:23
Stop drinking water; instead, use a little wine for the sake of your digestion and because of your frequent illnesses.