JUDAISM: "the chosen people":chosen for what, and why?serious question: no disparaging remarks, please!

Question

My best and longtime friend is Jewish. Whenever I have asked him, "what were the Jews chosen for?" His answer has always been, "to lead by example".

Can anyone of the Jewish faith, respond with a more erudite, a more highly defined and expanded explanation than his. It's not very satisfying, considering all of the hell and persecution that the Jewish race has suffered throught the centuries.

And why, has Christ not been accepted - in elaborate detail please - as your, the, Messiah.

Seriously. I would really like to understand. Not that I'm a Christian, because I'm not. I'm a yogi, and more than content with following its precepts as my guidelines for living.

And, PLEASE, PLEASE, no catty or pejorative comments. Only well thought-out and sincere attempts to explain Judaism incredible sustainment as a viable religion.

Many thanks,

Wotan

I posted this question 2-3 hrs. ago; went to bed and took a nap, and when I got up, turned on the computer.
Was flabbergasted not only by the number of responses received, but by the length of some of them.
Many thanks for them all. Most were intelligent, well-thought out and some very scholarly indeed: even though their length was intimidating. Have only had time to read thru maybe half of them.
Only 2 or 3 were of a negative, or judgemental vein. Thanks for no one getting on their soap-box.
It's going to be most difficult if not impossible to choose a best answer. So if you disagree with my choice, or want to add something, don't forget the "comments" box, adjunct to this program, this question.
Again, many thanks for all of your responses, and now to get to an awful lot of reading and pondering, to try and choose a best answer.

Wotan

12-05-07: I guess I spoke too soon in my first "added details": turns out, there were some disparaging, "catty" responses; but I guess that's to be expected in such a large responding audience.
And a couple of respondees couldn't resist getting up on their soapboxes; again, to be expected.
But there were many rational, very well thought-out, and truly enlightening answers also; for these, I again thank you.
I guess that I have an overly, questioning mentality, and I'm sorry to say, that I did find any to be completely satisfying. Sorry.
So, I'm going to open the question for voting. Thanks again to you all.

Answer 1

Your terminology is messed up, and that needs to be understood FIRST. You say "JUDAISM" is the "chosen people"? DUDE! Judaism is a religion! Now, when you get that figured out, if you want to step back and say "JEWs" are the "chosen people", you still are messed up. Cause many people that have adopted the relgion of judaism call themselves 'jews', and yet have nothing to do with the people called Yahudites, or Judahites, in the Bible. IT Must be understood that the nation of people called ISRAYL was derived from twelve tribes of people. One tribe was Judah. Eventually there was a split in the 12 tribes. 10 tribes basiscally broke off and became known as House of Israyl, and the other two tribes, Benjamin and Judah, became known as House of Judah, or YAHUDAH, and are sometimes referred to as 'jews'. The FIRST PLACE they are mentioned using that name in the Bible, they are WAR with House of Israyl!!! Anyway, here this may help, it has to do with more details in the subject, especially as it relates to TODAY

Amazing prophetic book! This is my thoughts on it:
The book of the Prophet Obadyah is the smallest book in the older prophetic writings, but it packs a punch of revelation, inspiration, and hope for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. Only one chapter, twenty-one verses long, it deals with an issue very important for our day, especially at this close of the age we are soon to experience. A warning to the reader is called for here, with the utmost seriousness. For unless one understands the foundational message of the Scripture, they may find this article incomprehensible or offensive. That is certainly not our fault. Suggestion is offered that some may want to get our free article 'Glad Tidings of the Kingdom' as a preparational reading and study.
Some ground work needs to be laid for Obadyah to be understood correctly by most today. Much of this article will deal with numerous other passages and facts before getting to much of the Obadyah text. The subject is most serious. Many refuse to heed the message and, as perhaps some will see, will be charged with crimes that are punishable by death, within the framework of Yahweh's law.
Obadyah, meaning "servant of Yahweh" according to some scholars, is actually the name of 12 different men in Scripture. This has lead to confusion as to who he actually was and when he was given this vision. He is probably not the one around in the days of Yliyah hiding the prophets of Yahweh in the mountains. No, our Odadyah it is thought lived about the time of the Prophet Amos, during the reign of Yahram (Jehoram), king of Israyl, approximately 848 to 841 BC! This prophecy is very much up to date, for it has an end-time fulfillment truth for us, upon whom the end of the age has come. Many say the dating relates closer to Jeremyah's time because the first six verses of Odadyah is found written very similarly in Jeremyah 49. This idea would be incorrect, for Jeremyah is simply drawing on Odadyah as his source with nearly 300 years separating the two men.
One can break the book down in sections, even though it is small. The first 4 verses is giving a message of doom and destruction upon Edom. In verses 5 through 9 he tells us how complete that destruction is going to be. In verses 10 through 14 he tells why Yahweh hates these Edomites. In 15 and 16 he makes reference to the end times, with the specific phrase that applies to a particular period of time, the day of Yahweh. In verses 17 through 21 he deals with the redemption of true and Scriptural genetic stock Israyl.
Oba 1:1 The vision of Obadyah. Thus saith Yahweh concerning Edom;...
Since the book deals with what Scripture calls Edom, we need to know who they were and where and what they are called today. It is important to realize that some of these descendants are still living amongst us. Would you want to be 'married' to one? Would you want your children to? Let's wake up and pay attention. The vision, or revelation, Obadyah received is being passed onto the reader, yet many do not believe it today for it goes contrary to their popularly held politically correct broad path thinking.
We could start the explanation back in the garden of Eden where the satanically influenced "beast of the field" seduces Eve, producing the first mongrel, Cain; for it sets the stage of "fruit inspection". But we will simply start with Rebekah expecting twins. She was having trouble with the pregnancy apparently and went to pray about it, when she got an answer that would effect her perception of the two children.
Gen 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of Yahweh. And Yahweh said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
It would be great if more women inquired of Yahweh today, for Yahweh told her something here that was actually a sort of instruction concerning a future event. Bestowal of the birthright blessings!
One of the boys is named Esau, and the other, the younger, Jacob. They were not identical twins. They looked very different and obviously had different personalities and most importantly, different prophetic destinies for their descendants, which is very important to our book of Obadyah. The word translated 'nations' is goyim. Jacob will later become known as Israyl. Israyl is thus referred to as goyim. The story goes, when the children were a little older, Esau came in from doing his thing. Jacob had made some 'pottage' and Esau wanted some, for he claimed he was about to die. Jacob made him a deal, but it simply goes to show, like today's people, Esau cared very little for Yahweh's laws, judgments and statutes and the birthright promises, and manifest the lack of faith of Yahweh's protection and plan on his part. But, regardless to our views, Yahweh does care; even today. Esau had little respect for promises from Yahweh. Many Esau types are among us.
Gen 25:33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. Gen 25:34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright. It didn't seem like much, but sure enough, a bowl of soup is all it took for this vile Esau. His descendants have been angry about it ever since, and you better believe too, they have no desire to be identified, so they are hiding under other names. You need to find them! If one does some research in other writings such as Jashur and so forth, Esau is described as more of a bandit and thief than just a hunter of animals, preying on the caravan trains making their way around the Middle East. It cannot be emphasized enough, the danger of despising ones birthright. For this sin Yahweh would never forgive him, though Esau sought it carefully with tears, Heb.12:16-17, though this may be referring to Esau putting on a show in front of his father. Our birthright is our inheritance. It is the things handed down to us from our forefathers. Despising the birthright sometimes leads to other sin. Esau had no respect to the fact Yahweh had chosen his grandfather Abraham, nor for Isaac his father and that unusual birth, nor any respect for the covenant Yahweh made with those forefathers. He had no respect to the fact that Yahweh was preparing a people that will end up being a blessing to, and having Dominion over, the whole earth soon! As I said, many Esau types are among us. This obviously meant he did not honor his father and mother, for to do so relates directly to your genetic stock being kept pure! Esau ends up marrying outside the genetic stock of the promise. Those forefathers had been strictly forbidden to pollute their bloodline with marriage outside of their own pure race. Esau did not care for any of that, and as you can see, today we have plenty of Esau types among us, many preaching behind pulpits. Esau's own mother had been specially selected by Yahweh from the chosen Hebrew bloodline of Abraham's family. They were not to marry just anything that looked, felt, or smelt good, or made them smile, the decision process of many reprobates today. They may tell you Yahweh gave them each other, but they are simply liars. Some were no doubt claiming the same thing in the days of Ezra chapter 10 where it was demanded that they put away the strange wives and any children born of that miscegenation. This was a strict law still very much in effect. The situation can be found as well in Neh.13:23-31. Esau actually does worse than not sticking to the Hebrew bloodline, he didn't go after another bloodline of shemitic people either. No! He actually miscegenated his family line similar to those of Ezra's time! He began to build a multi-racial, multi-cultural family like the worldly reprobate longs to have today. Like the rhetoric of the pulpits scream is the only solution for peace. There will be no peace until Yahshua returns and rules with his overcomers.
Gen 26:34-35 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite: Which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.
Isaac and Rebekah were broken hearted at the stupidity of this reprobate son. He didn't stop at this travesty, Gen.28:9, 36:2-3.
This was strictly forbidden miscegenation, for these women were not a child of Dominion, or Kingdom promise seed line, nor are their descendants unto this day. This 'thing' was raising up an army of mixed race abominations, and their descendants plague the world to even now. Through his wife Adah, one Eliphaz was born to whom was eventually born Amalek! Amalek, or the Amalekite, was to have generational warfare with Yahweh and His chosen seed line of Israyl, until the close of this age, Exo.17:14-15. A key detail for the discussion on Obadyah.
The king, or perhaps title for king, of the Amalekites was Agag. This name, some teach, provides the same root from which we get Gog and Magog. These descendants have been ruling in the Kremlin, in Russia, since 1917, the Russian revolution, financed by international "jews" and the Vatican, and have put their "kind" into power, killing the King and heirs of that throne. The Amalekite line is in the lineage of those leading Russia today and those leading their satellite independent states. One can easily see how in our time, Amalek has been warring from at least resent generations with true and Scriptural Israyl. Many Russians are not true descendants of Rus, of the Viking bloodline, but a Chazar, Turkal, Mongolian branch of abominable bloodline. Remember also, Esther tells us Haman, the one wanting to destroy the Yahudite Israylites, some of which were still in the Baylonian captivity, was of the Agagite, Esau bloodline. There has always been this warring between the chosen people, true Israyl, and the cursed line of Esau. Lenin and Trotsky, both Edomite/Chazarian "jews", were main instigators in the Russian revolution! It has been this "red" abomination, edom means red, which has continually provoked the wars of recent decades with their ideology of hatred for the chosen seed, while yet loving the promotion of humanistic teachings. Interesting as well is the fact the "whites" were the ones these "reds" fought for control of Russia! These "reds" are behind the 5th army in true Israylite lands today operating under the names of "Anti-Defamation League" or ADL, and "Jewish Defense League" or JDL. Just take a look at some of the membership photos and you will know why Jeremiah said they could take soap but not wash away their sin.
Rebekah apparently favored Jacob over Esau and the answer to her prayer during her pregnancy was apparently deep in her heart. She very likely knew of Esau selling his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of soup. Esau's spite toward the genetic restrictions were probably in her mind as well. The women of Scripture have, at times through miraculous and very dangerous means, saved the genetic bloodline from absolute destruction, Tamar, Rebekah, Rehab, Ruth, all of whom were physical Israylites or of pure Hebrew bloodline. It came to pass Rebekah overheard Isaac tell Esau to fix him some food and that afterwards he was going to bestow upon him the patriarchal birthright blessings. She skillfully, and cunningly, prepared Jacob to receive the blessings instead of Esau, and it worked. Isaac, speaking to Jacob said:
Gen 27:28 Therefore Yahweh give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine: Gen 27:29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be master over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.
The plot thickens when we find what Esau thought about it:
Gen 27:36 And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me?
Esau did not believe in the sovereignty of Yahweh apparently! Something to be watchful of in many today. First he had sold his birthright for a bowl of soup, despising his birthright, thinking Yahweh's order was nothing, married out of the will of his parents, disrespecting Yahweh's laws, and now, he would actually think Yahweh had nothing to do with his loss of the blessings? He is just too arrogant to see he was cursed, like many today. But we read:
Gen 27:40 And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.
The word translated "dominion" here is not the same as the word translated "dominion" in regards to the Dominion Mandate, the Glad Tidings of the Kingdom. Brown, Drivers, Briggs defines #7300 rud, translated only here as "dominion" to mean "to wander restlessly". Therefore you have the phrase "the wandering jew". The Book of Jubilees in regards to this "blessing" says:
Jubilees 26:34 Behold, apart from the dew of the land shall be your dwelling, and apart from the dew of heaven from above. And by your sword you shall live, and you will serve your brother. And it will happen when you become great [at the End of the Age], and you will remove his yoke from your neck, that then you will surely sin completely unto death, and your seed will be rooted out from under heaven.
Some 'blessing'! Esau was upset, and sought to kill Jacob, as the ADL and JDL, and partners, do as well. He despised the Dominion Mandate promised to Jacob and his line, and seeks to this day, to break the yoke off his neck and replace it with his own false dominion through his lineage. It is this mongrel offspring primarily being used of Satan today to setup a one world, one race, one economy Babylonian minded world domination. Jacob will be broken, but for the better! For this is the age of Esau, while the age of Jacob's full blessing is about to manifest. Obadyah says so!
But as time goes by and many things happen in the lives of the two men, including seeming peace between them, Esau eventually sets up house at Mt. Seir. This becomes important for certain facts can be found in regards to who is who in the world today with passages such as this:
Gen 36:8-9 Thus dwelt Esau in mount Seir: Esau is Edom. And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:
Gen 32:3 And Jacob sent messengers before him to Esau his brother unto the land of Seir, the country of Edom.
Remember what Obadyah is about, the destruction of Edom and the ultimate blessing of Jacob/Israyl! It stems all the way back to these blessings and cursings. The mixed seed line of Esau hate true Israyl to this day. We need to find where his descendants are located. A few points regarding Gog and Magog have been brought up. But that isn't all. Esau's descendants have grown in number, have "wandered restlessly", and are today found amongst the 'zionist jews', the 'turks', the 'mongol' element within the borders of old former Soviet Union, and wherever they have migrated around the world, including the United States. The enemy is most assuredly in the land running international banking, movie studios and news networks, financial houses, Wall Street, publishing houses and newspapers and more. Esau has broken the yoke! Some outside of the sphere of Scripture have come to understand a conspiracy being played out in world affairs. Without the keys of prophecy they will never understand the result nor how to combat it properly. Many in the so-called patriot and militia movements, though hateful toward the laws of Yahweh and the Scripture in general at times, and even disrespecting their Israylite heritage and thus bloodline, have yet realized some of the intricate web these Edomites have woven. Many others are aware of the problem but have not yet put the pieces of the puzzle all together. They will not let Yahshua rule over them, so they will die as well, when he returns to be given the throne, except they repent.
Psa. 83:1-5 Keep not thou silence, O Yahweh: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O Yahweh. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israyl may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
These 'things' have formed a conspiracy against Israyl to kill us all off, for the purpose of stealing the Dominion promised to us, through our fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israyl! Yahshua taught they wanted to seize the "inheritance", Matt.21:33-46. Racial types have broken down dramatically, as in the days of Noah, and the solution to the problem will be similar, though not by water this time. The Caucasian, Mongol, and ***** are but three commonly agreed upon races. But others may be Dravidian, Hottentot, Eskimo, Pigmy, and some characterize certain North American Indian tribes as an independent race. But when it comes to Edom, a mixed race, which Obadyah is dealing with, the Apocrypha can offer some assistance.
During the time of the Maccabean Kings, a Yahudite priest King named 'John Hyracanus', marched into the territory of Edom in about the year 125 BC and conquered Edom. One can find the Grecian name of Idumaean is speaking of the Edomite. In the writings of Josephus the historian, in his book Wars of the Jews, he says: "Hyracanus took the towns of Dora and Marisa, the cities of Idumea, subdued all the Edomites. They submitted to circumcision and the rest of the jewish way of life, and were hereafter none other than the jews." The Encyclopedia Judaica says, "Hyracanus conquered the whole of Edom. He undertook the forced conversion of their inhabitants to Judaism, therefore Edomites became a sizable section of the Jewish people." When the Romans overran the region in 63 BC, these Edomites cooperated with the invaders and rose to prominent positions in the ranks, eventually crowning an Herodian, the Idumaean, King in the puppet government in Palestine. When Yahshua arrives on the scene years later one finds an Edomite priesthood in power. A group he said were of their father the Devil. What do you say? They were among the Pharisees, Sadducees and Herodians, as well as dominating the Sanhedrin, the ruling counsel. All the righteous blood ever shed can be blamed on mixed breeds!
Mat 23:32-35 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye race of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Cain, the mixbreed, murdered Abel! The mixbreed, the children of the Devil, seek to steal, kill and destroy, as their father. Satan influenced, and possessed, the beast of the field in the garden to sexually seduce Eve, and the result was Cain, the mixbreed. Any desire to defile the flesh of Yahweh's pure creation is of this Satanic influence. Their Satanic doctrine is taught in schools daily in many ways, including evolution. Judas was apparently a mongrel as well, for we have this statement:
John 6:70 Yahshua answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
It was this element of Edomites that promoted the murder of Yahshua, and were primarily responsible for the doom of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 which was a type for the soon coming change of the age.
John 7:1 After these things Yahshua walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
Anyone think the writer of this passage is anti-shemitic for telling the truth about the 'jews'? Anyone think Yahshua was being paranoid?
John 8:31-32 Then said Yahshua to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
So many misunderstand what is happening here. Yahshua is setting these Edomite mongrel 'jews' up for self-condemnation! They could never continue in his word, for they could not hear it. They were not of his sheep! They could therefore never be his disciples, they could never know the truth, and the very thing that he knew would provoke them to run their mouth, he knew they could never be made free. One that is mixed can never be made free of that sin. They are of their father the Devil. The Devil is never going to be made free! But notice the conversation, for it exposes many facts few listen to today!
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
According to Scripture, Israyl was in bondage in Egypt, but Esau and his descendants were not! House of Israyl had been carried into Assyrian captivity, no longer in the Middle East, except perhaps a few with certain religious or business interests, and perhaps a few remnants of the tribes scattered around. House of Judah had been carried into Babylonian captivity, and a number, just over 42,000, of them had returned many years before. But this line from Abraham had never been in bondage? These 'jews' 'which believed on him'! These were mongrel seed of Esau most likely. Remember this:
Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
The reason these particular 'jews' did believe is not for faith and redemption and to exalt him as King. They recognized him as the heir and wanted to kill him! They believed on him alright, but not for the reason many may think. Going further:
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
They were not genetically capable of receiving the word. They were Abraham's seed through Esau who had married outside the promised lineage. Paul shows Esau's lineage excluded in Romans 9.
Joh 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even Yahweh.
Here we have the main point in discussion. They know exactly why Yahshua has got them into this conversation. Yahshua was pointing out to them and us what being of the Devil is really all about. One that is of their father the Devil is a mixed breed, as Cain. Thus they respond in denial that they are born of fornication, racially mixed seed. They thus lied! Many do the same today. That is why the wise will check everyone's fruit! Notice their attempt at spiritualizing their faith, 'we have one Father', attempting to detract away from the importance of the genetic line, the same many do today. But Yahshua stuck to his guns and let them know in no uncertain terms:
Joh 8:43-44 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Mixed seed, seed of the Devil, the 'serpent', cannot hear his word. Not, 'do not', 'will not', or 'may not', but 'cannot'! Why do so many say Yahshua is a liar today for this fact? He told us another fact few take heed to, that they will do the lusts of their father. Not 'might', not 'could', but 'will'! He had told us they will DO those things programed into their genes! It is in their DNA to do so! It cannot be set free! Someone may contend that they have mixed friends in the faith. What you have is an Adversary following a false messiah named Jesus. They 'cannot' accept the teachings of Yahshua the true Messiah for HIS words automatically condemn them, therefore the false messiah of Babylon named Jesus taught today in christianity, islam, and others.
John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep,....
It does not teach "you are not my sheep because you don't believe", like the lying teacher claims! These mongrels were not of his sheep. Israyl is the sheep of His pasture! These were not Israyl! These were wolves in sheep clothing! They hated him for exposing them then, and they will hate all that expose them now! Be prepared if you are His servant. So-called "jews" and other mongrels are wolves, not Israylites / sheep.
These Edomites and cohorts, just before Messiah being murdered, screamed out for his blood guilt to be upon them and their children. It is! A few passages should suffice any thinking person that the blame remains, Acts 2:23-24,3:12-15,4:10-12,5:28-30,7:52 1Thes.2:14-15. Yahshua tells us of those that claim they are Yahudites but lie, Rev. 3:9. Even the Jewish Encyclopedia tells you "Edom is in Jewry"! Many of these Edomites traveled into Iraq, Turkey, Armenia and Southern Russia. H.G. Wells wrote "Outline History of the World" in which he says, "The Idumeans, or Edomites, were made jews, and a Turkish people, the Chazars, were also mainly jews in southern Russia and the main part of Jewry were never in Judea and never came out of Judea". The Jewish Encyclopedia tells us the original home of the Chazars was in Mount Seir! This is Esau! This is part of the people that hate true Israyl today, and also actually claim to be Israyl! These Edomites are to be found mixed among the inhabitants of the former Soviet Union, the Turks, including the offspring of the Ottoman Empire and its once widespread territory, and the Chazars and 'jews' of today, including the zionists. The destruction of Edom is going to take place in the last days. Now that you know who Edom is, perhaps you can see some of who is going to die at the return of Yahshua. Isa. 63:1 tells us Yahshua is going to run Edom through the winepress. His garments will be dyed in their blood! He is not coming tossing out flowers and candy. It is a day of great slaughter. The heathen is going to fight against him! Are you going to?
Oba 1:1 The vision of Obadyah. Thus saith Yahweh concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from Yahweh, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle. Oba 1:2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised. Oba 1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? Oba 1:4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith Yahweh.
The verdict of doom pronounced on Edom by Yahweh has been heard by the heathen and an ambassador has been sent. This agent is none other than a spirit stirring up the heathen against the Esau/Edom seed line. This spirit could provoke a political figure or a general uprising in several countries which would be a catalyst for destruction against Edom. One wonders about those "Bible Thumpers" that think the country in the Middle East called "Israel" is the true Israyl of Yahweh, when it gets wiped out, what will this do to their faith, much less their prophetic understanding? It will be destroyed for believing a lie! Especially seeing as they will not have been raptured off as they claim is going to happen. Many will despise and curse Yahweh! There are several web sites and videos I have seen which literally verbatim teach to throw ones Scriptures away if the place in the middle east called "Israel" is ever destroyed. It will be soon. It is promised. The ones in charge of "Israel" are not true Israylites, but mongrels. The place in the middle east is termed a "cup of trembling" in Scripture. It is promised to NOT be where true Israyl was to be in the last days. The heathen are coming to be the instrument of Yahweh's chastisement and destruction to bring us to the great battle of the Day of Yahweh. Jeremyah has a reference to this destruction which has partly been fulfilled earlier, being a dual prophecy to this end time event, i.e. in the Day of Yahweh. A double witness! The Golon Heights, now controlled by the Edomite, gives them an heir of pride in the Middle East. But to tie this in on the larger worldwide scale of intrigue; during WW2 Hitler had a headquarters called 'The Eagle's Nest'. Hitler was 1/4 Edomite bloodline! In the book, "Hitler and the Twentieth Century Hoax" by Kenneth Goff it is shown Adolf's father was the bastard child of Adolf's grandmother, Maria Anna Schicklgruber, and Baron Rothschild, others claim one of the Baron's sons, she being a servant in their homes; Chancellor Dolfuss of Austria ordering the investigation. Rothschild, meaning Red Shield, had changed their name from Bauer, in their effort to rub it in that they were Edomites bringing financial rule over Israyl. Edom means red. The red star of Russia is their's as well. A sign of Edom. They made plenty of money on both sides of the war, putting true Israyl in ever-increasing debt. They do the same with all wars. Yahweh brought down Rothschild/Hitler's eagle's nest, only after the Edomite was used to punish true Israylites in Europe, Great Britain, her commonwealth, and America. This war was used to promote sympathy for other Edomites as well and the Zionist conspiracy for a Middle East "jewish" homeland and was thus successful in that view. But it was Yahweh allowing it to happen for the benefit of the final showdown soon to come. The financial tower of Babel will fall, as well as her religious monster Roman Catholicism and Protestant whore daughters of the kiss-kiss, hug-hug crowd of Pagan christianity.
Oba 1:5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
The judgment that will come on Edom will be complete and total. When one gathers grapes a few are usually left on the vine, if nothing else, for the poor gleaners. There will be no Edomite left in this world! When the robbers come, they take what they can carry or only what they actually want. Again, there will be nothing left of Edom. They will be completely burned up.
Oba 1:6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
How is it Edom is going to be found out? How is all their hate, murder, wars, and usury based monetary monopolies, and religious lies going to come to the understanding of the heathen? The Ambassador Spirit? It is for sure, more and more people are realizing what is going on. Many have pulled their children out of the babylonian systems so not to let them be a "jewish sacrifice" on some field of war, just so Esau can get wealthier in their world domination ruse, their attempted theft of the Kingdom from Jacob/Israyl.
Oba 1:7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.
Their whole system is going to fall apart! Praise Yahweh! Their supposed peace accords, their supposed peace initiatives will be part of their undoing! These Edomite/Chazar/Jews, shaking hands with the heathen Islamic minded nations will be the catalyst perhaps. Their financial pyramid scheme will not stand. Even the Edomite are at each others throat!
Oba 1:8 Shall I not in that day, saith Yahweh, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau? Oba 1:9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
Their peace efforts will not hold. Even in the farce state of "Israel", they are killing off their leaders. "Rabbi's" provided authorization for Yitzak Rabin to be murdered, for giving land away. Arial Sharon was apparently poisoned for apparently the same reason. They are falling apart little by little. Many Edomites have been thrown off land in IsraeLIE by other Edomites! They are destroying each other! Yahweh will complete the 'slaughter' throughout the world soon. A lying spirit has came upon them perhaps! They actually think they can exchange land for peace? On a larger global scale, they think they can continue their financial house of cards between true Israyl nations and the foreigners. They actually think destroying borders and doing away with nationalism is going to work in their effort to wipe the name of Israyl out, seeking to kill off Jacob! The end of all this will be a blood bath!
Oba 1:10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
Divine retribution from Yahweh is coming for centuries of intrigue against true Israyl and rejecting the true Messiah, Yahshua, Luke 19:27! This is the sin Edom will try to bring to total fruition, killing all Israyl off that the name of Israyl be no more spoken. This will nearly be accomplished, but they will fail.
Oba 1:11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.
When Israyl has suffered punishment for sin, Edom has been part of those doing the punishing. Yahweh has said He will pay all those that do such back with destruction. When Babylon came in burning the city and destroying the temple, Edom came in taking what ever they could that was left.
Oba 1:12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. Oba 1:13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;
When the towers in New York fell, many Edomites rejoiced, for all they could see was Jacob/Israyl fighting Islam for them, as Jacob/Israyl borrowed money from Edomites to be able to pay for the wars. The Islamics rejoiced for they saw it as a victory in their hatred of Jacob/Israyl as well. They too will pay a heavy price. But the Edomite/Catholic leadership in the United States behind the scenes actually carrying that destruction out will not get away from the sword of the ones that are coming. The Edomite has been benefitting from every war Jacob/Israyl has fought, by the death of the true Israyl bloodline.
Oba 1:14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.
Because all of what Edom has done they are going to soon be judged, and what they have done to other people will be done unto them.
Oba 1:15 For the day of Yahweh is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
ALL THE HEATHEN! Praise Yahweh! Islam for its murderous 'false prophet' of Revelation actions, the dark races for their theft of Jacob/Israyl resources, the Latino's destroying our country, heritage, and standard of living, the Oriental continual attack; they ALL will pay in this day. The cup mystery Babylon has given to others will be given back, 'reward her double'! They drink the cup of Yahweh's fury until they cease to exist.
Oba 1:16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.
His holy mountain is the holy House of Israyl Kingdom. Daniel speaks of it growing to cover the whole earth at the return of Yahshua! They have touched the holy mountain and must die! Punishment will come. Complete annihilation! Ashes under our feet! Abraham was promised the entire world, and dominion of the entire world was also promised to Adam. In no way should our Israylite people be involved, militarily included, with the heathen in the world. We are to make no covenants with them anywhere.
Isa 26:20 Come, my people [that's true Israyl], enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
The trouble will passover as in Egypt when the death angel passed over, for those with the blood applied. No blood applied, death will visit!
Oba 1:17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. Oba 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for Yahweh hath spoken it. Oba 1:19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead. Oba 1:20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israyl shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south. Oba 1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be Yahweh's.
Yahweh has provided for true Israyl's deliverance. There shall be holiness there, for without it no one shall see Yahweh. The world-wide Dominion will come to total fruition, since it was planted in the days of Jeremyah in Ireland. The House of Jacob and Joseph are very much with us today, and will be used at the close of this age to bring about the destruction of Esau. Not one will remain of the house of Esau. The farce in the middle east will be out of the way. The Babylonian religions will be gone. Christianity, with its paganism filth, will be wiped out. The steeples and pagan crosses will be destroyed. The righteousness of Yahweh will rule on His throne. The throne of Yahweh, with us today in this earth, will have its rightful heir on it. The overcomers, will rule with their "rods of iron", breaking all opposition down. A great day. A day which will only manifest after great destruction. Noah, being warned of Yahweh, moved with fear, in PREparing. What about you?

Answer 2

If I may start with the second query :)

We don't recognise Jesus as messiah for several reasons. In the Tanakh ('old' testament) we have specific, detailed instructions as to how to recognise the real messiah. Remember that throughout history there have been many claiming to fulfill this role. The real messiah, according to Judaism, will achieve a number of things, one of which is peace on earth. Now clearly, Jesus did not achieve this. We are told that if even ONE of the conditions is not met, then it means we are confronting a false messiah.

Christians often insist that Jesus is 'predicted' in the Tanakh. Sorry, but put bluntly, this is rubbish. Jesus is not mentioned. Jesus plays no part whatsoever in Jewish theology: he is irrelevant. Any and every Jew will tell you this. The references to the messiah in the Tanakh make it blatantly clear that it CANNOT be Jesus that is being discussed.

Christians still insist it is, but they are always, always, always relying on wrongly translated Hebrew. But even when we as Jews try to explain this, we are ignored.

Now for the first question!

The tale goes that the covenant with G-d was in fact offered to all the nations, but that only the Jews accepted unconditionally. This then makes us 'choosing' rather than 'chosen' - big difference!

But yes, we are in the bible described as being 'a light unto the nations'.

I think this is because Judaism was the first organised monotheistic faith. Remember that back then, there were numerous pagan cults, and they worshipped many different deities.

Judaism was and is very much about setting down the laws and morals that lead to justice being served.

One key point that I really want to stress: no Jew that I know, or have ever heard about, actually regards themselves as being 'chosen'!!! Honestly! We just don't think that way.

In fact, Judaism teaches that EVERYONE, no matter what their religion, has a place in heaven if they lead a 'righteous' life here on earth. Now, compare this with Christianity, which claims that non believers will burn in hell.

I ask you - of the two, which religion is the most humble?

I really do hope this has helped answer your queries: they are good questions and I notice that many non Jews do ask them, so they are clearly topical!

If you'd like more info, these sites are great:

http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/

http://www.askmoses.com

http://www.jewfaq.org

EDIT TO OTHER ANSWERS

AMY R - we have not been 'punished' by G-d; this is not a Jewish explanation for some of the things we have been through.

DAVE C - please take this nicely. You may indeed have 'spent 40 years' studying Judaism, but you have missed THE crucial point! Namely, you can't interpret Judaism via Christianity - all you did in your answer was try and tell us yet again about Jesus! If you really knew Judaism, you'd know this is just not relevant to us!

One great answer is given by ARYEH. Really good response :)

I find it so interesting that many Christians are amazingly confident in answering on behalf of Judaism!!! I don't think I would be confident ever replying on behalf of any faith other than my own.

Answer 3

You ask two very good questions, here. I think I only have a solid, satisfying answer to the first, so I won't attempt the second. (Also, I should state that I'm a Christian, rather than a Jew.)

Throughout the Old Testament, God is building a family. He starts with Adam & Eve - forming a covenant between the three of them. After the fall, God continues to reach out to humanity through covenants - through oaths between mankind and God - extending them to Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David.

If God is family-building, then what He is choosing people for is simply that - His family.

In all of the oaths God swears, the covenants He creates, He never suggests that being in His family will be easy. The first twelve chapters of Genesis are probably the most brief reading that introduce the key ideas - as well as the first several covenants - if you're interested in exploring further.

Answer 4

Supposedly Abraham was not the first person G-d approached, but he was the first to accept G-d and therefore be accepted as the first Jew. The Jews were chosen to be witnesses to G-d' work, not to enjoy favored nation status. Over the course of history you can see how the Jews have been affected by man's inhumanity to man more than any other religious group, yet they still have survived. They survived because G-d performed various miracles on the Jew's behalf. Jesus never preached anything other than Jewish ideals. He was the first "reform" Jew. The Jew's messiah has not arrived yet, but they are still hoping for his arrival sooner rather than later.

Answer 5

The Jews are, per their own faith, the chosen of God's people. They are the favored sons, as it were, and promises were made to them along those lines - promises made by God. There have been actions that have led them to be punished, as well, by God.
They do not believe in Christ because he was represented to them as the messiah of their own prophesies and they did not buy the hype. That's all there is to it. Jesus was a man in their time and the assertions that he was anything more - assertions made by his followers and, his followers claim, by his own actions and comments - are just not proven to the satisfaction of the Jewish people. They do not feel the point was made and they do not think he was the one. It's not like they have not heard the pitch, they just don't think he was the one - remember, they had a lot of people telling them they had their prophet over the centuries, so Christ is one pretender among many, to them. You might do better to study all the other false prophets and their claims if you want to understand the scepticism they showed and continued to show. No matter how many followers Jesus attains, he is still just another pretender to them - just a darn successful one with lots of followers, and nothing more.

Answer 6

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Answer 7

That's a very good question. I think that your best bet is to borrow your friends Torah and go to synagogue with him or on your own. You should just visit one and ask one of the Rabi's if you can sit with him and ask a few questions. I'm sure they would be more than obliged to answer any questions regarding Judaism.

Also, kudos for showing interest in a religion other than your own. I believe that it is important to study and understand as many religions as you can in order to understand all cultures and people.

Answer 8

I will just add a bit about "chosenness":

The Chosen People
by Rabbi Shraga Simmons
Appreciating an often-misunderstood idea.
The Jewish nation is often referred to as "the Chosen People."
Many people (including Jews) are uncomfortable with this idea. They perceive the concept of a "Chosen People" as racist and mindful of the Nazi concept of a supreme "Aryan" nation. It appears to contradict the accepted Western ideal of all people being equal before God.
Is the Jewish concept of choseness racist?
When the Torah refers to the Jewish people as "chosen," it is not in any way asserting that Jews are racially superior. Americans, Russians, Europeans, Asians and Ethiopians are all part of the Jewish people. It is impossible to define choseness as anything related to race, since Jews are racially diverse.
Yet while the term "Chosen People" (Am Nivchar) does not mean racially superior, choseness does imply a special uniqueness.

What is this uniqueness? Historically, it goes back to Abraham. Abraham lived in a world steeped in idolatry, which he concluded was contradicted by the reality of design in nature. So Abraham came to a belief in G-d, and took upon himself the mission of teaching others of the monotheistic ideal. Abraham was even willing to suffer persecution for his beliefs. After years of enormous effort, dedication and a willingness to accept the responsibility to be G-d's representative in this world, G-d chose Abraham and his descendents to be the teachers of this monotheistic message.

In other words it is not so much that G-d chose the Jews; it is more accurate that the Jews (through Abraham) chose G-d.
Chosenness was not part of G-d's "original plan." Initially all of humanity was to serve the role of G-d's messengers, but after the fall of Adam, humanity lost that privilege, and it was open for grabs. Only Abraham chose to take the mantle. If others would have (and they were offered the choice), they too would have joined in this special covenant which was sealed upon the giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai.

If a privilege is offered to everyone willing to pay the necessary price, nobody can protest that those willing to make the extra effort are being shown favoritism. For example: It is reasonable that an employee who agrees to work overtime, attend training seminars, and manage special projects, should be entitled to a performance bonus -- particularly if each employee was given the same opportunity.
The essence of being chosen means responsibility. It is a responsibility to change the world -- not by converting everyone to Judaism, but by living as a model community upheld by ethics, morals and beliefs of one God. In that way, we can influence the rest of mankind, a "light unto the nations" (Isaiah 42:6).

Answer 9

Relax man, everyone thinks they are the 'chosen people', even Americans!
I think that what the Judeac people, and subsequently their Christian and Muslim counterparts, are getting at is that we are all God's chosen people. In other words, all life is equally of value to the Creator who embodies all of it. Unfortunately, some innate recognition of that has become interwoven with age-old human tendencies to want to take all the credit!

Answer 10

The jews were chosen to

accept, preserve, and spread the Word of God to the rest of the world

to be a blessing to others

to be the group that would bring for the Messiah who would bring peace to the world, reconciliation for iniquity , and lead the world in justice and mercy

christ was not accepted as the messiah because
he said he was the son of God and they did not understand/accept this
he did not fulfill the promise of world peace for the jews.

however, if one looks at the prophesies the messiah was to fulfill, he was to have a
....divine, everlasting nature (Isaiah 9:6)
....come, be killed (Daniel 7,9),
.....turn the kingdom over to the believers(Daniel 7:27)
.....and return at a later time when the Jews were ready to
accept him and cry out for his help(Micah 4)..

Answer 11

God introduced Himself & the law to the Isrealites, & He prepared them to become the people by which He would bring Jesus Christ into the world. Through Adam He introduced His just character, through Jesus His loving Character. The Isrealites are still the chosen of the Lord along with those that have accepted & believe in Him. If you read the book of Romans you will understand.