What do you think of this AZ ballot initiative proposal to deny US birth certificates to most kids of illegals

Question

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20071203-1556-wst-illegalimmigrants-birthright.html

I expect it is intended to push a case to the Supreme Court for a ruling on birthright citizenship, and meanwhile to reduce the millions spent on 'free childbirth' services to illegal immigrants by denying the parent the reason they would come there. What do you think?

Beach Girl, thirty years ago you would have been laughed out of court if you suggested that applied to those who broke the very laws they would need to be 'under jurisdiction of' to get here. I'll see what the Supreme Court says.

I don't like messing with the Constitution unless we have to.

Answer 1

the phrase "under the jurisdiction of the government" has been liberally interpreted to mean "everyone" but I think forcing the supreme court to rule on this could end this discussion once and for all.

After all, if they're hiding from our government, and still using the passport of their native country, I don't think they're under our jurisdiction.

This would be a monumental decision.

Answer 2

Now, now, now, if they can't convince the American public that Osama wasn't a born US citizen, then they have to set it up so they can TAKE that birth certificate away from him. I do tend to agree that illegals who have children in the US should not be able to profit from their crime by being allowed to STAY in the country to raise their citizen-offspring, but I have no real answer to how to solve this problem. Mexico (for example) will not make them Mexican citizens, the these loons in the US don't want them to be US citizens, so what's next? There are several options: 1. Anchor-kids can stay in the US, but their parents must leave, putting the kids in orphanges or foster care. 2. Anchor-kids have to leave with their parents, putting them in a citizenship limbo. 3. Parents of anchor-kids are given temporary citizenship, until their anchor kids reach age 18. There would then be questions about enforced birth control to ensure they don't have more kids to stay even longer. Until a logical, intellectual solution can be agreed upon by ALL countries at the same time, the current system must stay in place. It IS in the Constitution that ANYONE born on US soil is a US citizen. Arizona is gonna have to live with that.

Answer 3

Excellent. If passed, it will provide a test case that should reach the S.C. If we can get one more conservative SC justice, we may be able to overturn the liberal, activist SC that ruled that anyone born here is entitled to birthright citizenship, which was not the intent of the 14th amendment.

Bill would eliminate automatic birthright citizenship for anchor babies! HR 1940 would end the practice of granting automatic citizenship to the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens. Nearly every other country, including all members of the European Union, requires that at least one parent be a citizen or permanent resident for a child to automatically become a citizen.

The Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007, by Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA), would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate birthright citizenship.

Our current policy results in over 300,000 additional citizens from anchor babies each year. The demographic impact is far greater because their families stay and bring in additional relatives. Anchor babies are eligible to sponsor their illegal alien parents and other relatives when they turn 21. Moreover, taxpayers pick up the tab for the medical costs and subsequent welfare outlays because of the child's citizenship status.

The 14th Amendment, passed to guarantee the citizenship of freed slaves, grants citizenship to anyone born here and "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. HR 1940 acknowledges the right of birthright citizenship established by the 14th amendment to the Constitution, but says a person born in the United States is considered "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States only if one of the parents is a citizen, an alien lawfully admitted for permanent, or an alien performing active service in the armed forces.

http://capwiz.com/caps/issues/alert/?alertid=10247066&type=CO

Answer 4

Bravo. When the sovereignty of the country is at stake, a constitutional change to address the threat may be necessary. In the meantime, until the fed politicos figure out that Americans are tremendously outraged by the invasion and get serious about stopping it, state/local action is better than nothing. Congrats to Arizona for taking leadership.

Answer 5

When you have over 9 million* coming to the country every year on visas and over three million of them do not honor the visa when it expires and hide out in the country it is insane to allow this. The government has never mentioned this, but soon to be on the tube.

Then you hvae the ones crossing over. With botj of them whether flying in or wlaking in are illegal nad must be stopped. It's long overdue. Sorry, but it's time to seal up the country and make it safe. Imagine what could be done wit the flow of illegals cut to 1 million a year. Take back the country. All Americans want this, if not then they are not Americans. Merry Christmas

Answer 6

Hallelujah!! And Hallelujah again!!! Somebody finally doing something about this anomaly ... The 14th Amendment is the most misused of the amendments ... "under the jurisdiction thereof" ... I've always wondered how illegals, who on occasion tend to be quite happy flying another country's flag and speaking the language of another country, who are trespassing on our soil, could be considered to be "under the jurisdiction of" the United States ... however, as Thomasina and others have pointed out, that'll give more meat on ACLU's bone ...

Answer 7

I think that the woman that proposed this legislation should be given the medal of honor. This is a huge step in stemming the endless tide of illegals coming into this country on a constant basis. I feel that illegal aliens that drop their anchor babies here have no allegiance to this country and neither will their children. It takes a shoddy parent to say, "here ya go, this country is going to take care of you until you are 18, then you will send for us so that we can reap the benefits of our 18 year wait." It is downright cruel.

Answer 8

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Sorry. It's pretty clear that anyone born in the country is a citizen. Change the Constitution with an amendment. We've had enough legislative end runs around it already.

Answer 9

I agree that it's authors probably intend to make this a SC issue.

There is disagreement on the intention of the 14th amendment so the outcome will be up in the air for sure.

It is unfortunate that the states and via CITIZEN referendum we have to try to force the feds to control the borders and enforce our immigration laws. Our politicians are so weak and power hungry that they will sell their souls for the power that comes with the position.

Answer 10

I believe it should get the supreme court to rule on birthright citizenship.

the wording has been iffy since the inception of the ammendment.

Plantage, read the ammendment and then the court case.
That is not stated explicitly enough anywhere. there's still wiggle room.