Proof of God for atheists?

Question

Once again providing another fact that god exists and religion is not man made

(Quran 57:25)"And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind"

Modern astronomical findings have disclosed that the metal of iron found in our world has come down from the giant stars in outer space.
Professor Armstrong works at NASA, where he is a well-known scientist here. .He stated that the scientists have come only recently to discover the relevant facts about that formation process. He said that the energy of the early solar system was not sufficient to produce elemental Iron. In calculating the energy required to form one atom of iron, even the energy of the entire solar system is not sufficient for that. That is why Professor Armstrong said that the scientists believe that iron is an extraterrestrial that was sent to earth and not formed therein.
So, could muhammad have known this 1400 years ago?
Even i didnt know that until recently....think about it

amazing guys, your saying Muhammad should have written a thesis describing the big bang theory and the composition of iron? Stop ignoring the word of God...what else could sent down mean? Just give me one more meaning of it

you guys are so stupid and ignorant. WE KNOW where all the elements came from NOW!!....How could this man have known this 1400+ years ago? You are a bunch of retards trying to compare todays knowledge with that time where as i'm comparing the correctness of this verse with scientific evidence.

@ craig: nice ehh...how long did it take u to understand that...high school? college? grad school?
Muhammad was an illiterate and he summed it up in just one line....

Answer 1

People knew GOD exsisted million of years ago. He exsits it does not matter what Atheists say not one bit..

Answer 2

I am sorry, but this is not proof of God. It has long been speculated that mans first contact and interaction with iron happened because of meteorites that fell from the sky. This is not an unbelievable notion. Your Quran actually backs this theory up, by claiming that it came from above. However, their is no link between these meteorites falling to earth, and Allah being the one who sent them other than your book. You cannot use circular logic as proof of God. You are dealing with intelligent people here, who will not willingly swallow what you are trying to feed us. This is why Islam, like every other religion in the world, will eventually fail. When people are educated, they are much less likely to believe bullshit stories. Why do you think Islamic countries institute sharia law? It isn't to benefit the people, it is to keep them oppressed and stupid, this way religion keeps a firm grasp on power. People like you are either to stupid to see this, or part of the problem. Islam and it's hateful ways will only be tolerated to a point and the sooner you realize this, the better. How anyone could follow a religion, which was started by a prophet that is a known pedophile, liar and murderer is beyond me. It's time you wake up.

Answer 3

Tis truly amazing, and to you I'd say--know your enemy-that is understand a little about that which you are being adversarial with. Iron is formed as the result of the end stage in stellar evolution, Elements higher than iron can't be formed by conventional nuclear fusion in a stellar core. The iron is formed when all the hydrogen and helium in a stellar core have been fused-the process to make iron is next. The elements higher than iron take events like a supernovae to form. This makes it clear that the stellar gas cloud the solar system condensed from did contain materials from extra stellar processes. Iron in the earths core could not have come from our own sun. These facts have been known for at least half a century or so. As for Mohammed--in that particular passage if you look at the before--he was talking about meteoric iron which would make absolute sense in the context.

Answer 4

Ahahah we know where elemental iron comes from.

Heavy elements like iron can only be cooked up in the biggest, brightest, shortest-lived stars in the universe.

Smaller ones, like our star, become unstable after its out of hydrogen and begins trying to fuse helium into heavier elements. However bigger stars have enough gravity to overcome this to make fusion successful all the way to iron. Then when these stars go supernova they disburse these heavier elements into space.

Then this dust coalesces to form new stars, and the more heavy elements a star contains, the more likely it is to have planets.

This is where the iron in our planet comes from, the death of large stars.

All in all I guess you would call this a *drink*

So he said "we sent down the great iron which has many uses for mankind" so what? That's such a vague statement. It says nothing about where this iron came from, how it was sent down, what it's doing there, and how it's benefiting us. It's kind of like reading a horoscope.

Iron has been known to man for a lot more than 1400 years. So some guy was able to figure out it was heavy and include it in his divine prophesy? So what! For all we know these "many uses" was talking about iron smelting and forging, he doesn't actually mention an electromagetic field.

Answer 5

That's stupid. That doesn't prove that God exists. All that is saying is that Iron wasn't created on Earth. And, nobody knows how big the Universe is. It could have come from ANYWHERE (pardon the caps lock. I'm trying to put an emphasis on that word, but there isn't a bold thing to select.) Metals and many different substances have come from meteorites and other planets, and places not on Earth. If that proves anything, it proves that there might be other forms of life on planets somewhere far away. Which would actually disprove things stated in the Bible.

Answer 6

Fascinating. The Greeks knew about the atom 3000 years ago and it didn't come from god. The Sumerians knew about ALL of the planets in the solar system 6000 years ago, even Pluto that was not discovered until 1930. Maybe Muhammad read a lot of the stuff the christians refuse to read.

Answer 7

First off, treat people with more respect, dude, don't call them retards. You treat me with respect, I treat you with respect.

Now, on to your question. Pretty simple about the meteorites. Sure, there wasn't enough energy to make iron in the primitive solar system. But it didn't come from God. It came from supernovae. Those definitely have enough energy to make elemental iron.

Muhammad knowing this 1400 years ago... somehow that passage from the Quran doesn't say "Giant ball of fire, big boom, iron spews out of it, loads of energy, blahblahblah.". It just says "Iron falls from the sky". For all we know, the most probable thing is he saw a meteorite and went to see it.

Answer 8

Are you so desperate for evidence that you'll say ANYTHING? This is beyond ridiculous. Do you have any idea of how to recognize (much less present) evidence?

Take a good look folks . . . this is what fundamentalist religion does to the human intellect. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. In some cases, we simply have to admit that a mind is a terrible thing. Period. Jeesh!

There are no (absolute) proofs for, or against, the existence of God.

Proof is a tricky word. Many people think that proof establishes something is an absolute fact. That's not often the case; at least, not in the everyday world.

In jurisprudence and science, a reasonable basis for proof is based on solid evidence and the absence of any known contradiction. There's a "reasonable person" standard which defines proof as "beyond a reasonable doubt". The test of time fortifies proofs.

You say there are no unicorns? Prove it. You see? ABSOLUTE proof is an illusion -- especially when trying to prove a negative, such as "There is no God".

However, rephrasing the assertion from "There is no God", to "God is imaginary", makes proof easier, using the "reasonable person" standard. We can't ABSOLUTELY prove it but we can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Consider this . . .

No matter where man has spread, he as created countless gods. From aboriginal Australians to tribal Africans to American Indians to ancient Egyptians . . . they've all created gods prolifically and with ease. That man creates gods is a well-known, indisputable fact.

But what about the opposite? God creating man? We DON'T know that he did. We have no evidence that he did. We have no reason to think that he did. All the evidence points to evolution over the course of billions of years. There's growing evidence that life originated from abiogenesis -- from an electro-chemical reaction in the primordial soup of early Earth.

So, with countless thousands of gods to man's credit, believers are in the untenable position of asserting that all the gods that came before and after theirs are false . . . but their own god (and religion) is real and true. Asserting that one's own god is real, when we know that man created all the others, is ridiculous. It is so unlikely that we can safely consider it delusional.

Man has created countless thousands of gods and YOURS (if you believe) has NO evidence. That, my friend, qualifies God’s existence as dubious, at best, and faith in him as misguided and misplaced. Based upon the preponderance of evidence, the assertion that "God is imaginary" meets the reasonable person standard for proof and has withstood the test of time for thousands of years.

Answer 9

wow, you mean you found a religious reference where it talks about god sending something down from heaven? what are the chances of that? he never does that!!! that's amazing. certainly this passage must mean that iron came from outer space, care of god. thanks. i'm a believer now...

edit: perhaps even a further interpretation of this passage could be explained by someone a thousands of years ago witnessing a meteor crashing into the earth. yes, they happened back then too. seeing as how it came from the sky the religious person believe it to be a gift from god. went to collect it and found it to be some new metal which had not been seen before. he determines that it has a wide variety of uses and so he pays respect to god for sending it down from heaven.

Answer 10

Good ol' "Professor Armstrong". Yup, nothing made-up about him. He's real, all right.
Sure, good ol' "Professor Armstrong", the well-known scientist from NASA. As real as the day is long.
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"amazing guys, your saying Muhammad should have written a thesis describing the big bang theory and the composition of iron?"

Are you saying that Muhammed was incapable of doing so? That'd make modern scientists smarter than Muhammed.

I'm good with that.

Answer 11

To figure this out, all one would have to do is observe a meteorite falling and find where it landed. And anything big enough to leave a iron artifact is big enough to make a big crater and a lot of noise. So I would guess someone found a meteorite somewhere in Arabia somewhere in the lifetime or two before Quran was written.