Christians: If God is eternal, then he cannot kill himself. That means he's not omnipotent. Thoughts?

Question

Psalm 90:2 says this:
"Before the mountains were born
Or You gave birth to the earth and the world,
Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. "

If God is everlasting by definition, then he cannot kill himself. If he could, then he wouldn't have been God according to the bible. But if he can't kill himself then he wouldn't be omnipotent. The bible says he is both omnipotent and eternal. Those can't coexist, therefore God does not exist.

Ye Olde: If you're eternal, then you can't cease to exist. If you're omnipotent, you can make yourself cease to exist. You can't see the contradiction?

James: You're making it too complicated. God CANNOT make a rock so big he can't lift it. Therefore he's not omnipotent.

Answer 1

God doesn't contradict Himself. Since He Himself is reality, He doesn't exist as reality and unreality at the same time. I don't know if He can or can't, but I know He doesn't.

God deals with reality. He doesn't deal with the imaginings of human beings (like pink unicorns or Harry-Potter magical omnipotence or compassionate conservatives) because they aren't real.

God is both omnipotent and eternal. Maybe you just need to refine your definition of omnipotent.

Answer 2

the not killing himself, like the rock is a false paradox (anyone with any education and logic abiltiy would never use this kind of fallacy). Two easy reason why it can be refuted:

1. It can be disproven because God being Omnipotent has the power to strip himself of his own omnipotence. It starts from the incorrect assumption that an omnicient being cannot put aside their own omnicient powers by their omnicient powers, you are making a self refuting argument.

2. Religions do not hold this kind of omnipotent because omnipotent is about power not about contradiction acts that are a contradiction to power.

"For He is called omnipotent on account of His doing what He wills, not on account of His suffering what He wills not; for if that should befall Him, He would by no means be omnipotent. Wherefore, He cannot do some things for the very reason that He is omnipotent." Augustine City of God

Augustine argued that God could not do anything or create any situation that would in effect make God not God. It is nonsensical as squaring a circle, it would no longer be a circle. So asking "Can God can do this or that that would make him no longer God is just as much nonsense as asking Can God draw a square circle (there is no such thing)?Any question along these lines are perceived paradoxes and therefore meaningless.


there are many more. I laugh that people say people others don;t understand logic and support this question. This is one of the first fallacies you learn in logic class as seeming logical but not. Jon Jon who has the puny mind?

Try reading Decartes, Kirkegaard, Plato, Aristole, Aquinas, they all wrote on this.

Answer 3

I firmly believe that there is an Ultimate Super Power behind the creation, growth, functioning and destruction of this Universe or a part of it. When human brain started developing, man wanted explanations for whatever he saw around and experienced. For most of the phenomena he could not find explanations, so he conceived an all powerful Individual and called it God, Ishwar, Allah, Nature and the like...and assumed that the Super Power did everything. Further he assigned several supernatural powers and qualities to that concept. God is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient, he does not have a body and soul etc.
That Super Power is an energy and not an Individual, who can be pleased or not pleased by worship & prayer or no worship & no prayer. The concept of God exists only in the human brain and not in any other life form on this Planet Earth.
Now, the present society is far advanced with scientific knowledge. The ancient mythological and spiritual concepts should be modified accordingly.

Answer 4

Why would you even question the bible about God? The bible is inaccurate with so many factual errors and it contradicts itself in many ways. And you can't determine the nature of God with just one quote. "Whore" is a word in the bible. Humans make mistakes. Bible was written by humans. So, technically, the bible will have mistakes. But that's besides the point, God doesn't exist, so, he or she can't be omnipotent, omniscient or eternal.
Yay. God doesn't exist. We now have to blame ourselves for all our mistakes and follies.

Answer 5

Perhaps God is eternal because He chooses to be. Maybe God can create the impossibly big rock...and lift it too.

Answer 6

properly, one ought to truly posit that real omnipotence is impossible (by means of fact of paradoxes etc), yet a being that may do *almost* something is functionally all-powerful--as on the factor of all-powerful as can truly exist in a universe with coherent policies and causality. despite if God, or something like Her, won't be able to do each and every thing, He can (a minimum of if She's something like the Christian theory of God) do a *lot* better than human beings can. (pronoun shift planned, English truly desires a gender-independent 0.33 individual singular pronoun that does no longer recommend nonsapience). Or, in different words, useful omnipotence = you are the closest ingredient to an all-powerful being at present in existence. you could additionally define "immortal" as "won't be able to be killed", "won't be able to die", "won't die from any organic or usual reason", or the like. sometimes even only "won't age or get sick". as an occasion, in many mythoses (or despite the plural of mythos is, English heavily desires a stable overhaul, I swear...), vampires are defined as immortal--yet there is frequently countless tactics you may kill them (solar, stakes, beheading, hearth), that's only that they gained't die of the flu or despite, or develop previous, or (frequently) die from well-known, non-particular injury like getting beat up or getting shot. by using a minimum of a few of those definitions, there is no contradiction approximately an immortal being which will properly be killed, despite if by means of using an all-powerful being. you could additionally argue that God *ought to* kill Himself, yet chooses to no longer, if just to circumvent the quasiparadox. Or, one ought to argue that God isn't, in the strictest experience, alive, and for that reason won't be able to be, in the strictest experience, killed. Then, killing God could fall below the inherent paradox policies you enable as a default cut back on omnipotence. The ability to be killed is a assets of issues that are alive, so if God isn't alive, She won't be able to be killed. (edited to characteristic some extra innovations)

Answer 7

You already don't believe God exist, so this answer won't make much sense. But try to imagine if you did believe God existed...do you really think humans could come up with words to accurately describe God? I think humans have tried to attach attributes to God that they believe are godly. No one can know what God really is.

Answer 8

...like if God creates a rock He can't lift then He'll not be all powerful 'cuse there's now a rock He can't lift...

...but He'd lift it and do the impossible...doing the impossible is possible for God and we're left trying to make sense of it all

Answer 9

"The bible says he is both omnipotent and eternal. Those can't coexist, therefore God does not exist."

How do you come to this? I think you have arrived at a conclusion which simply is not true...

Answer 10

Now read John 1:1-3 and Psalm 14:1-4

If God doesn't exist, you don't exist.

The Bible doesn't contradiction itself, religion contradictions the Bible. Especially people who know nothing about it.