As far as I know Protestants based their belief on Sola Fidae (faith only) and Sola Scriptura (bible only), while Catholics based our belief on Sola Verbum Dei (Word of God only).
What i want to know is, if the bible is the only foundation of truth, why does Paul says in 1 Timothy 3:15 "if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth"?
And since the bible was compiled at the Council of Hippo (200+ years after Jesus died), what's the foundation of truth before that?
2007-11-29 18:25:02 · 11 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The church is the pillar of truth.
2007-11-29 18:47:23 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
The books that the Bible is composed of. The books that existed from the time of the apostles and that the church only put into one big book at hippo. The books that make up the Bible were available long before hippo and the churches had them long before hippo. All the council of hippo did was take the books already accepted by the church and put them into one book. The churches already had the books of the Bible just not put together into one book.
Also Catholics base their beliefs on Sola ecclesia (Church alone). They claim the church is the authority that put together the Bible. The claim the church is the one that decides tradition. It is the church they give all authority to. Not scripture and not even tradition since they believe the church decided both then that means the Bible and tradition are subordinate to the church and not the other way around.
2007-11-29 18:37:44 · answer #2 · answered by Bible warrior 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Hmmm.... seems you are trying to state several things here at one time.
"Protestants" and other Christians regard the scriptures (bible only) as the Word of God.
The Bible canon was listed at the Council of Hippo in 393 AD and Council of Carthage in 397 AD. It was a gathering of many Christian Churches, including the Eastern Orthodox Churches, not just the Roman Catholic Church. Most of these books were generally agreed by the majority to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, including the New Testament books, since the time of the apostles.
Your reference of the church as being the pillar and foundation of the truth in 1 Tim 3:15 is not about the Roman Catholic Church. The Church of the living God is within each individual believer. We are the living stones of His temple (1 Peter 2:4,5), and He is the cornerstone, our Rock and our salvation. We are the Church in which His Holy Spirit dwells.
2007-11-29 19:06:58 · answer #3 · answered by Bill Mac 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'm not a protestant but I'll take a swing at it.
The church (the collection of all believers everywhere, not specifically the Catholic church) props up and supports the truth. It is not the source of the truth. That's what this verse literally says.
The word of God (to be distinguished from the Bible) has always been true. We haven't always had it in written form. The Jews had a series of prophets who spoke the word of God. Some of that got written down.
I don't think I would say that the Bible is the only source of truth. I would say that it has authority when it comes to doctrine. God has and will continue to reveal truth outside the Bible.
2007-11-29 18:35:50 · answer #4 · answered by Craig R 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The foundation of truth before the bible was compiled are the preachings of the apostles and jesus himself. All of which are recorded in what is now the bible, whether in the form of gospels or letters. Plus we believe that God was guiding those who compiled the bible and inspired what books to include and to throw out. We believe that the Bible we have today is God inspired.
2007-11-29 18:33:13 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
the Torah, because as 2 Timothy 3:16 says
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" but in their day the only Scriptures that were written were the Torah, Psalms and Prophets. King David calls the Torah the Way, the Truth and the Life and we all know that Yeshua said that of Himself. Yeshua is the Living Torah
2007-11-29 19:19:57 · answer #6 · answered by swissfox 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
These are Paul's instructions to Timothy: "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons... They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving..." This warning is based on the unbiblical asceticism that arose (in the first century) out of the mistaken belief that the material world was evil. This was a central belief of Gnosticism. It may be that the Catholic church forbids priests to marry, but Paul never forbade any Christian to marry. He simply said it was okay to remain celibate if that was your inclination, but if you had a healthy sexual urge, then it was best to get married rather than have sex outside of marriage. "It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband... But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion... But if you do marry, you have not sinned" (1 Corinthians 7:1-2, 9, 28). With regard to younger widows, Paul said "So I counsel younger widows to marry" (1 Timothy 5:14). "Church fathers" include Christians such as Irenaeus (circa 140-203), Clement of Alexandria (circa 155-215), Tertullian (circa 150-222) and Origen (circa 185-253). I don't know if any of them commented specifically on 1 Timothy 4:3.
2016-05-26 23:32:20 · answer #7 · answered by nakita 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The Jews had the Pentateuch, the five books of Moses, written on scrolls. I am justifiably skeptical of anything the RC church does. It has done more to turn people away from God than any other religion. Many of its rites and practices are contrary to scripture. It purposely withheld the holy scriptures from the common man. It leaders have decimated other cultures, destroyed their history, encouraged genocide of the Jews, and subjected children to sexual molestation.
2007-11-29 18:38:36 · answer #8 · answered by rico3151 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The foundation of truth is as it always has been. You see, Jesus isn't going to ask questions about the Council of Hippo
( *snickers* ) at the Judgement. Your place with him will be dependent upon your trust in Him.
Of course, that's a sola scriptura Sola Fidae glorificamos Dios.
Your church is not the true church.
2007-11-29 18:32:35 · answer #9 · answered by Christian Sinner 7 · 4⤊ 3⤋
Read verse 14 along with it and your question is answered:
1Ti 3:14 ¶ These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
He is talking about his letter to Timothy. He is writing so that if his letter gets there before he does, then Timothy wil have a guide handy.
context, context, context
2007-11-29 18:32:39 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋