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I really don't understand this part of christianity, i'm not trying to bash religions, i just want to know.
God is allpowerful, so he will know if someone goes to hell or not even before they are created. So why does he let people be created that are destined to hell? does he like seeing people suffer enternally? I know he can intervene, but many people die not believing in him, and he knew they would die this way. So why did he even let them be created in the 1st place if he knew they were going to hell?
-agnostic

2007-11-29 18:10:42 · 16 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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You have it all wrong!........God does not predestine people to hell!......Is God unfair? Will He not give a genuine opportunity for salvation to everyone on earth? Would God consign individuals, made in His image, who have never heard the Gospel, to an ever-burning hell fire? No! God is not unfair—He will give everyone an opportunity!
Yet how will the multitudes who have never heard Christ’s name receive their opportunity? , Speaking of the name of our Savior Jesus Christ, the apostle Peter boldly proclaimed "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).
But billions of people have not even heard the true gospel or the name of their Savior. How could they even have a chance to believe? The Bible shows us that all humans will have their opportunity for salvation. For those who have not been called to really understand the truth, there is the White Throne Judgment described in the 20th chapter of Revelation.
Who will be in that judgment? Who will then be given their first opportunity for salvation? Let’s look at one encouraging example. What do you think is the ultimate fate of some of the most wicked people on earth—people whom God has already punished? Notice what Jesus said about the wicked people of Sodom, "And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you" (Matthew 11:23–24).
God consumed the people of Sodom with fire and brimstone and destroyed every human being! Are they now also suffering the so-called flames of hell? No! They are dead! Yet Jesus said it will be "more tolerable" for them in the day of judgment. What day of judgment is that? We discover in the 20th chapter of Revelation a resurrection to judgment, in which the books will be opened as the scriptures say. It is at this point that all those who have been spiritually blinded will receive an understanding of the Bible and the words of life for the first time: "And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books" (Revelation 20:12).
Those who have suffered from their own sins and those who have been innocent victims of oppression and genocide, will be resurrected to understand the Book of Life. They will have their first real opportunity to understand the Gospel and the love of God the Father for all humanity. As Peter wrote, "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9).
In the White Throne Judgment, billions of atheists, sinners and pagans will finally learn from their past suffering, and will be given the opportunity to truly repent, believe the gospel and eventually inherit the Kingdom of GodBut what about those who have seared their conscience and given over their will to rebellion, hatred and sin? Those who have known the truth of God, but have willfully rejected His forgiveness and love, will be burned up in a lake of fire. "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire" (Revelation 20:14–15).
Here is the second death—the eternal death penalty from which there is no resurrection. Those who have sealed their mind never to repent or surrender to Jesus Christ, will be totally burned up. They will suffer the torment of knowing their fate before their final execution. But a loving and merciful God will put them out of their misery for all eternity.
Then, the whole earth will be purified by fire! "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness" (2 Peter 3:10).
Once the earth is purified by Gehenna fire, the lake of fire, everyone will either be a glorified member of God’s family (as described in 1 Corinthians 15, the "resurrection chapter")—or they will be dead for all eternity, burned up in the lake of fire. The Devil and his angels (as immortal spirits) will be tormented forever. That is their fate, not humanity’s!
God is a God of absolute justice and absolute love. He will give everyone the opportunity for salvation in His time and in His way. The Devil has deceived the whole world and has blinded the vast majority of human beings on earth today. But God has a plan of salvation, even for the wicked sinners of Sodom. They will have learned an excruciatingly painful lesson and will have their chance in the White Throne Judgment. And those who have been the innocent victims of injustice and genocide will be healed, restored and blessed with their first opportunity for salvation!
Those who are called, faithful and chosen in this age, will rule with Christ in His Kingdom. They will help teach, serve and rule the earth with Christ for 1,000 years. After this "Millenium" comes the resurrection to judgment. Then, finally, the real hell fire—the lake of fire—will consume the incorrigibly wicked.

2007-11-29 18:25:18 · answer #1 · answered by TIAT 6 · 2 1

First off if He only created those who would come to Him then in reality they have no freewill. It's already destined.

But here's where you're getting it wrong. He FOREKNEW, not predestined. It's a thin line but exists. I may know while you are in your mothers womb (w/o consciousness) 20 yrs. from now you'll get mad at me & reject me so should I just kill you now? Like never being created you have no consciousness. Plus if one of your parents are saved & you're not at the age of accountability you'll go to heaven. Thus you end up in heaven though God knew you'd want no part of it. How much sense would that make?

Hell wasn't created for man if you're talking the lake of fire. It was created for the devil & his demons. When man turned His back on God that's when it became one of man's eternal destinations.

The fact is man has a choice. He was designed for fellowship with God, his creator. Love means choice. If man could create a clone doesn't he have the right to do so. If that clone rebels doesn't he have a right to choose it's punishment. Though man would always know there was a risk & liklihood of rebellion should he just not create him and be satisfied with a robot?

God doesn't enjoy suffering. Don't you think He suffers each time the gift of life He gave is rejected. Isaiah said He bore it all for us. God became man to understand our pain. He puts up with some longer than others.

Have you ever met a mother that hoped against hope her son or daughter would change? Did you ever hear her say she wished they had never been born & meant it? No, a thousand times no. Love believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails.

If there was no eternal punishment for wrong then why would anyone care how they acted or what they did? If heaven had no price then why would God have to become man & die so we could have a chance to join him? A chance that costs most of us so little. If everyone was good why would we even need heaven?

2007-11-29 18:43:24 · answer #2 · answered by syllylou77 5 · 1 1

God can NOT intervene in these situations. Lets say for example that God simply creates 100 people to glorify Him because He is perfect and He deserves it. Well lets say that 80 of these people choose on their own to glorify Him. God decides to give these 80 people a give of salvation and the other 20 go to hell. Well that may not be fair because the 20 people that went to hell did not know that if they glorified God they would be given salvation. Okay okay, so lets say that there is this thing called the Bible in which every knows about, and 20% reject it and 80% accept it. So the same situation applies. If God simply wants people to love and worship Him, He can not intervene in the case of the 20% that does not accept Him or He would be "making" them basically into robots. Robots are something that can not control how they act. God could make everyone into robots, but robots are not capable of loving God in the true sense of the word Love. Love is an action and you can't be forced to love someone, you have to do it out of your own free will. Which is another talk in and of itself.

2007-11-29 18:24:11 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

God created man with a will, you're either with Him or against Him. Chose heaven or hell. The concept of purgatory, to purge is a probable concept in that God gives the human soul a second chance. No one is destined to Hell.

2007-11-29 18:16:02 · answer #4 · answered by hmmmm 7 · 1 1

This question forms an interesting paradox that actually kind of defeats the purpose of religion. Christians claim that God gave us free will and that he cannot control our actions. However, they also claim that he is omniscient and knows of everything that we are going to do before we do it. If he knows everything we are going to do, than our actions are predetermined. If our actions are predetermined, and our actions are what determine whether we are saved or not, than whether we go to hell or heaven is actually determined before we are born. If long before we even existed, our fate of whether we are saved or damned is decided, than there is not much we can do about it. Thus, there is no such thing as free will. People can decide to believe one or the other, but not both. They contradict each other.

2007-11-29 18:26:05 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

Darian: I'm a christian, and "hell" is not a sound doctrine of the Bible nor is God behind roasting people forever, in a fire!
Did you know, that Jesus spent time in "hell" ? Read about it in the pages of your Bible (see: Book of Acts; chapter 2, verse 31) . Obviously; "hell" is not a real place nor is it plausible with the Bible. The term "hell" simply, means a "grave" or a "hole" [pit] where we all go when we die. The word "hell" is a mistranslation of the word "hades" (Greek) and the word "Sheol" (Hebrew) - both languages used in the writing of the original books of Bible. The real truth is God is in the saving business and everyone, ever, born will ultimately be given that chance either, now or in the resurrection to life, after the return of Jesus Christ, to the earth.


P.S. Dr. THEO - pretty well sums it up, quite nicely !

2007-11-29 18:26:36 · answer #6 · answered by guraqt2me 7 · 1 3

No one is immediately destined to burn in hell. No matter what you have done, who you have sinned against, etc., you are never destined for hell. God may be the ultimate judge, but He does grant all of us one last chance to ask for forgiveness and be allowed to enter the Gates of Heaven, so long as we are sincerely sorry for our sins.
I also beleive before the final judgement God reveals to us the times He has played a part in our lives, from saving us from death before our time is up to blessing us with love and gifts of all sorts. Many people die not beleiving in God because they do not see the loving, caring Father, only more or less a dictator of a deity, which God is not.
So, yes, God does know everything that will happen to us and the decisions we will face and make. But it doesnt stop Him from hoping that we will make the right ones.
So no. Not a single person is destined for hell. Those that go to hell choose to burn in hellfire willingly.

2007-11-29 18:30:35 · answer #7 · answered by lordofdragons4_4 3 · 2 3

That is a misconception. God doesn't know what were going to do, until we do it. Because He made us with a free will. We were created in the image and likeness of God, almost a God, the next thing to a God. We were created above the Angels of God. We can think, reason, and invent. The Angels can't do that. They can only do and say as God tells them to.God wishes all, everyone, everywhere, would worship Him, and thanked Him for this earth, and theirselves. If everyone did, there would be no war, hunger, homeless, or sickness. Hell would be just as it was created to be, a place of punishment for the devil and his angels.

2007-11-29 18:22:01 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 3

I am not a typical Christian. So get that before I get going. But see what I write and see if it makes sense to you.

God does not want everybody. He stated precisely that He does not want everybody.

This is where.

One important chapter of the Bible having to do with this is Romans 9. Read the whole thing to really see it. But I will show you this part having to do with your question:

14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

All that is in Romans 9.

Now I can show you John 6:

44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me."

There is something that goes back into the Old Testament: The declaration of God's right over EVERYTHING. All humans are under His rule, without exception.

So some He raises to become His children, and others He raises for destruction. All this is stated in the Bible, and there is no amount of people that say, " God loves everybody" that can change it. God does not love everybody, and we are NOT all God's children. Only those who are chosen can be God's children.

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.

So are you being chosen by God? The question for anyone seriously considering this should ask themselves, "Do I WANT to know God?" If you do, then He wants you. Because no one can want to come to God without God wanting them. It's against human nature to want to go God's way.

I say these things quite often, but many never respond to it. I think it's because they don't want to know these things.

2007-11-29 18:25:51 · answer #9 · answered by Christian Sinner 7 · 2 3

I don't think you understand. According to the bible, God created free will in all humans, and thus, it is the only thing he cannot control directly.

2007-11-29 18:14:48 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

God gave us free will. We have the choice whether to believe in Him or not. God doesn't make you believe, He wants us to come to Him on our own.

2007-11-29 18:16:44 · answer #11 · answered by tracy211968 6 · 1 1

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