Can you comment on HOW molten metal was created from open air jet fuel fires on 9/11, when this is impossible?

Question

FACT:

Open air hydrocarbon fuel fires, whose only source of oxygen is still air, cannot supply enough oxygen to a combustion reaction to drive temperatures above 250 C. In very strong winds, and with very well mixed fuels (atomized fuel droplets), you might get up to 600 C, but no open air fires have been recorded at temperatures above 650 C.

If you don't believe me, then you can try it for yourself. Measure the flame temperature of an open air fire with a pyrometer or a thermal imaging camera. Try to get liquid aluminium dripping off some solid aluminium or aluminium foil, using an open air fire. (Melting point of aluminium is 550 C). Try this yourself.

Ok, now explain where all the molten steel came from!

Watch these videos first, become you comment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JithuVAIb7Y

Part 1:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-8452331984890658202&hl=en

Part 2:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=1018616329475082196&hl=en

Part 3:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=6024263701753064760&hl=en

Controlled demolitions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa7PN-8T2VY

Building 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9BofDUXv0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2073592843640256739

Flight 93:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_s&NR=1

Pentagon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgyq2H7PpO0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeaZLYViwU

More videos at:

http://ae911truth.org

http://belowgroundsurface.org

http://truth911.net

http://seeloosechange.com

Look at all the evidence of controlled
demolitions that were used to bring down the
3 WTC buildings on 9/11, and do not believe
anything other people tell you. Trust your own
eyes and fire burning experiments. Measure
the actual temperature of open air jet fuel
(kerosene) fire!

Melting temperature for steel = 1532 C.

Melting temperature for aluminium ~ about 550 C.

Try to melt steel or aluminium in your own open air kerosene fire, where the only source of oxygen is from stationary (still) air.

Then try to explain all the molten metal found in the basements of all 3 WTC buildings on 9/11, especially in the basement of Building 7, which was not even hit by any plane and was over 300 feet away from the Twin Towers.

Explain the molten metal !

It takes temperatures of over 1532 C to melt steel to produce that yellow, bright orange liquid metal dripping out of the South Tower, as shown in the videos!

Please explain what this bright yellow/orange liquid actually is?!!! Do office materials, plastics and paper look like this when they burn? Of course not! It's liquid metal, and can be nothing else.

Possibly liquid orange paint, some might say? Which happens to have white smoke coming off it! Really?

Do a search for

molten metal wtc

http://youtube.com

Do your own fire burning experiment.

Try to melt some aluminium foil in an
open air fire, where the only source of
oxygen is from normal atmospheric air
(101.3 kPa), or 1 bar air pressure.

If you can get liquid aluminium dripping
off like a liquid, then you have proven
that the fire temperature is hotter than
550 C (the melting temperatuer for
Aluminium)

If you cannot, then you have proven to
yourself that air fires are not really very
hot, and no where near 1100 C, or the
melting point of steel, which is 1532 C.

Steel does not even START to lose
strength, until 300 C, and it drops to
about half of its maximum strength at
650 C. So if your kerosene/jet fuel air
fire cannot get hotter than 550C, enough
to liquify Aluminium, then why is it that
200,000+ tons of solid super-strong
WTC steel in each tower, all magically
collapsed at FREE-FALL accelerating
speeds, acting like they were all as
weak as air, in order to cause complete
collapse in ~10 secs?

Fact the engineering facts... you have
been fooled and LIED TO by the mass
media.

Explain all the giant pools of molten
steel found in the basements of all 3
WTC buildings that collapsed on 9/11.

Look at all the evidence of super hot
pools of molten metal that stayed red
hot for up to 2 months, 8 weeks, after
9/11 ... even though fire-fighters were
pumping in thousands of gallons of
water into the basements, every day,
just to cool down the basements. The
temperatures in the basements stayed
at temperatures of between 600 - 1000
degrees Celcius for up to 6 weeks after
9/11, temperatures much hotter than
open air fires!

Look at all the evidence...

And I am not a lay person. I have a
PhD in engineering, and I actually teach
materials science and structural design
for a living, at University level. This is
not BS. Popular Mechanics has been
lying to you. I have worked with foundry
tools, melted steel and aluminium,
measured flame temperatures, etc

Answer 1

You've asked this same "question" four different times. Each time, you ask us if we "know" that Bush was part of the 9/11 "conspiracy" and then proceed to bombard us with random pablum. I've reported each of your "questions" as violations. Ranting and trolling are both prohibited.

Answer 2

Why don't you explain how a controled demolition, would have made all the molten metal ?

If all the meatl pouring out of the side of the building was just
" Steel "


Where did it come from ?

It would have had to be from the steel support columns from that point and above, right ?

Now with all the support colmns melted, just how did the top of the building, stay up ,

From the time the molten metal poured out of the side of the WTC, untill the building collasped ?

Surely your not saying that 40 floors above, stood for 45 mins, with all the steel support beams melted ?

And lets take it a step further.

What if someone did use thermite cutting charges on the steel beams.

Where did all that melted steel come from ?

A cutting charge, would burn a 1/2 gap in the beam, basicly cutting it in two.

So there is no way, all those 1/2 pieces of melted steel, was enough to cause all that melted metal.

So where did it come from ?

Answer 3

The WTC towers fell because two giant airplanes flying into the tall skinny towers at 500 MPH cracked the supports at the lower levels causing the towers to collapse. Where you get the idea of molten steel and what that has to do with anything, I have no idea.

Ever worked in a skyscraper? I worked at the Darth Vader building in Seattle. During a windstorm, gusts of 40 MPH would rock the ninth floor of the building just like a boat and make those of us in the building seasick. If only a 40 MPH gust of wind can do that to a 30-story building, imagine what an airliner can do to a 100-story building slamming into it at 500 MPH.

140 stories of rubble from the two towers is what caused the collapse of WTC 7.

Why is this question in the military section?

Answer 4

Explaining the molten metal is easy:

Aluminum melts at 660 deg C, and a typical building fire is at 1100 deg C.

No steel melted.

Unfortunately, and with all due respect, your temperature numbers and your interpretation of the colors seen are just incorrect.
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Also, you say "trust your own eyes" as to whether it's a controlled demoltion. That's a bad idea. Whether or not it looks like a "controlled demolition" should be judged by experts, not lay people.*

Essentially all demolition experts say the collapse didn’t look like a “controlled demolition.”

Here’s an article from the world-renowned journal, “Implosion World” that destroys the “controlled demolition theory” :

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf
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WHAT'S THE BRIGHT ORANGE STUFF FLOWING OUT THE THE TOWERS?

It's either molten plastic or aluminum mixed with burning debris. Orange-yellow is the typical color of burning hydrocarbons.

According to NIST:

“… the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface. “

(Reference: Point 11 at http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm )
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* NOTE:
"Lay person," in the above sentence, means "people who are not published demolition experts"

Answer 5

Once again, we have to use questions to point out how dump these theory's are.

1. How many people knew about and participated in the planning of this? ( Bush admin is terrible at keeping secrets)

2. How many did it take to set the explosives and thermite? (again this admin can't keep a secret for anything)

3. How long did it take to set all these charges up. Remember know they couldn't be seen doing the work and all the wires had to be hidden from thousands of people.

4. How did they wire it to start the destruction from the floor where the planes hit?

5. How did they get the planes to hit so they wouldn't disrupt the explosives?

6. How did they plan the demolitions to start from the top instead of the bottom like normal demolitions are done?

7. When will anyone ever answer these questions.

Answer 6

Who ever stated that the metal structure of the WTC towers melted? Nobody!

The crash of each airplane and the resulting fires WEAKENED the steel. The steel did not have to melt; metal becomes weak from heat long before it melts.

Why does this stupid question keep coming back up? Don't you conspiracy nuts ever learn, or even try to?

If you like searching to the Net for information try YouTube, where there is an episode of Penn & Teller's Bullshit about 9/11 conspiracies. That is one of many sites that debunk your crap.

Answer 7

You said: "No open air fires have been recorded at temperatures above 650 C."

This is false.

In addition, it's not necessary to melt the aluminum skin of the plane.

And the fire inside the WTC could not be considered to have been "open air."

And your proposed experiment is bogus.

The flow, whatever it was, seen coming from teh building was NOT steel. As it fell, and cooled, steel would have turned black. Is that what you saw?

Answer 8

Okay you said

"and do not believe
anything other people tell you. Trust your own
eyes and fire burning experiments."
how can i believe you when you tell me not believe what other people are saying .
Contradictive???
we not dealing only with open air jet fuel for a few minutes. We are dealing with everything and all the building materials that was in/on the towers. And a extreme long burning time, that as somebody mentioned made the steel brittle. Do as all a favor and go find out who killed Kennedy.

Answer 9

AHH there was more to the fuel load than just steel and aircraft fuel, an average house fire can easily reach 600 degrees or higher, the towers would have enough combustionable materials to get to at least those temps.

Answer 10

Get a life, go outside and enjoy the sunshine, just get away from the computer, it's frying your brain.

Added: Yeah, science is stupid! I'm glad metals stay at 100% loadbearing strength until they melt! Oh, S$^T they don't, they start to loose strength way below melting, damn science classes getting in the way of conspiracy theories again! I'll try to stop it!