Meat-eater stereotypes?

Question

Why do people assume that because I eat meat that I am going to grow up unhealthy and die early. Eating meat doesn't give you heart problems and cancer. Eating Greasy SOYBEAN McDonalds FAKE MEAT BURGERS 5 times a day does.

I eat 2-3 servings of meat(palm size not that jumbo steak) and drink 2-3 servings of milk when I can. That way I get my nutrients. Eating meat isn't bad for you if avoid deep frying it in pig lard and slather it in butter and grease while toping it with fat drippings. I am tired of hearing "because I am vegetarian that I won't have such a high percentage of heart disease or getting cancer" Vegans never want to acknowledge that vegan diets can cause anemia, rickets, cretinism, osteomalacia, and hyperthyroidism.

Also a vegitarian diet can be beneficial to you but please be one for the RIGHT reason which is your body.

Saying "EATING DEAD CARCUSS IS NASTY AND GROSS!" is not only a poor excuse but they make other veggie fans look bad and ignorant.

Eating meat won't KILL you or make you very ill unless you were a vegitarian for a long time and have a sudden switch in diets.

Also seriously DRINK YOUR MILK!!!!! Cows for Milking have been getting treated with a lot more care than in the 70s back when they were thrown around. Also stress causes the milk to taste bad so they try to make the cow as comfortable as possible. The cows goo give milk in the special time whenever they feel like doing it to prevent stress and produce quality dairy products. Why are people still cling to this belief that dairy farms are a nightmare. Its 2007 not 1907!!!!!

I know I am going to get torned to pieces!!!!!

but also eating 2-3 servings of lean healthy prepared meat won't make you unhealthy.

I am tired of those fat *** McDonalds addicts getting thrown in as the same category as healthy meat eaters.

Also exercising helps!

Answer 1

"Your additional comments about dairy are quite laughable. "Stess causes milk to tate bad" - who said that ??

I live in the beef and dairy community, do you ?
Do you see dairy farms every few days ?"

The above quote, Video, demonstrates someone can live somewhere but still remain stupid about your surroundings. Once again, Michael H ... the "free range" i.e. "lazy farmer", shows he is misinformed and not too bright. The old saying "contented cows" has its roots grounded in animal and agricultural science and in the innate knowledge of generations of GOOD farmers, not only for milk and milk production, but for the good treatment and stress reduction of a living creature.

http://www.mosesorganic.org/broadcaster/13.5prevent905.htm
http://www.cowtime.com.au/technical/QuickNotes/Quick_Note_1_1.pdf
http://www.das.psu.edu/dairynutrition/documents/grandin.pdf
http://www.grandin.com/references/milkpro.html
http://www.nwnyteam.org/AgFocus2007/Jan/ProductionQMPS.htm

Just ignore this silly tosser, Video ....

What you are advocating is a balanced, moderate diet. There can be no argument with that. And as a flexitarian vegetarian, I agree with you about HOW you prepare the meat contributes to the health or "unhealth" of it.

Remembers that vegans and vegetarians in modern cultures are "oddities" and social misfits with an agenda. It is these modern day vegans and vegetarians that give the rest of them a bad name. They are the ones that suffer from nutrient deficiencies, psychological problems, etc. The ancient cultures ... India, Japan, etc., that have large percentages of vegetarians and vegans would agree as well.

So carry on with your balanced diet and have pity on whatever social forces produce these pathetic creatures.

Answer 2

You are right about one thing--some vegetarians and vegans get overly enthusiastic about the health benefits. Also, exercise is extremely important, and there is no reason why a diet that includes meat can't be healthy.

However, the American and Canadian Dietetic Associations acknowledge that vegetarians tend to have lower cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, lower rates of heart disease, colon and prostate cancer. But, it would be extremely simplistic and inaccurate to say that EVERY vegetarian is healthier than EVERY meat eater.

You start out making some very good points, but then it quickly dissolves into misinformation and stereotypes (the very thing you claim to be against).

Not sure where you got your information about eating "5 McDonald's fake meat burgers" and causing cancer and heart problems. When was that study done?

No, well-planned vegan diets do not cause any of those things you mention; but malnutrition could. Therefore, you are repeating a stereotype that vegans are all suffering from malnutrition. If you stuck with your original argument, you would have come off as more intelligent.

Oh, eating dead carcass is nasty and gross. There, I said it.

Answer 3

"Also seriously DRINK YOUR MILK!!!!! Cows for Milking have been getting treated with a lot more care than in the 70s back when they were thrown around. Also stress causes the milk to taste bad so they try to make the cow as comfortable as possible. The cows goo give milk in the special time whenever they feel like doing it to prevent stress and produce quality dairy products. Why are people still cling to this belief that dairy farms are a nightmare. Its 2007 not 1907!!!!!"

Eating/drinking dairy “products” directly supports the veal industry. Do a little research before you speak (or in this case type), or you run the risk of looking like an ignorant jacka$$.

Answer 4

ahh hahaha i can feel the rickets coming on right now! no seriously tho, eating a carcass is damn gross thats not ignorant, its the truth, some people enjoy actually peeling the skin of chicken and eating it...SKIN! thats morbid. statistically speaking vegetarians are healthier because of their increased vegetable and fuit intake, i havent seen too much debate about that, its not grouping all meat eaters into a mcdonalds loving group, its just making a statement, take from it what you will. vegans typically are obviously very concious of what they eat, and i dont know a single one who is anemic or anything else listed...especially rickets...? you can get those problems eating any type of diet, and your chances are not higher if you are vegan. and also an out loud laughing fit to the happy little cows in the dairy farms! wake up, your dreaming!

Answer 5

Ranting in the vegetarian and vegan sections just fules the sterotype you are trying to remove.

Your additional comments about dairy are quite laughable. "Stess causes milk to tate bad" - who said that ??

I live in the beef and dairy community, do you ?
Do you see dairy farms every few days ?

Generally speaking, meat-eaters have more heart problems, cancer risks and weight problems that non meat eaters. Vegetarians are not exempt from these health problems, there will always be exceptions to the rules both ways.

And you are telling me why I should be veggie - "but please be one for the RIGHT reason which is your body."...

Sorry, i missed the decision where you were given the right to tell me why and what i should do. Can you remind me when that was, thanks.

You say " that vegan diets can cause anemia, rickets, cretinism, osteomalacia, and hyperthyroidism" and them immediately say you are tired of being thrown into the same pot as fat MCDs eaters. Didn't you just do EXACTLY the same to vegans, lump them all into one pot ??

Your ill-thought out rant has done nothing for any meat-eating cause. It just makes you look like an angry person who needs a little more education.

We often get meaty rants on here, its been a while since we had one that was so poorly thought out with so many contridictions.

Please THINK then TYPE

EDIT: Arrh, I've read through your question history and you are an angry SCHOOL KID. Come back in 30 years time and tell us how healthy your meaty diet is. You have NO long term experience from which to quote. This makes your whole rant about how healthy meat is completely worthless.

I could go on, you have posted quite a few questions about "sterotypes", why are you worried about labels. Can you not be confident in being an individual, why worry about what others think of you..

EDIT: this "silly tosser" can read. None of the links Skully quotes talk about milk tasting bad if the animal is stressed. They all talk about reduced milk production.

And i also note that much of the recommendations in those reports are not followed in the "best in class" dairies that I see.

Words such as "lazy farmer", "tosser" etc are just personal insults. If you want to identify with that and consider it an acurate answer, help youself.

I though you ( Skully ) said you were here to study the behaviour of veggies ? Why don't just concentrate on your insults rather than posting links to reports that seem to agree with you ...until you actually read them that is.

and just fyi for a laugh...a few of us were discussing trolls in this forum and coming up with single word descriptions of them...we couldn't agree on a single word for you...we settled on the word "poison" but ALL wanted to include the word "pure" before it. You should be very proud.

Answer 6

one reason might be because how many meat eaters respond to someone when they find out they dont eat meat. that puts the non meat eaters into more of a position where they have to defend there decisions to try and get acceptance.
Most of the things you list as vegan diets cource can be avoided by a varied and healthy diet.

Answer 7

Ok, I'll try to correct some of your inaccuracies, but I don't think I can get them all (hey, I've got to work and sleep some time).

Nobody said everyone who eats meat will be unhealthy and die early. That's ridicuous. 95% of the world's population eats meat, if they all died "early", it wouldn't be "early", it would just be average. Also, most veg*ns were meat eaters at one time, and we didn't all get cancer and heart disease, there are a lot more factors to good health.

However, when you hear veg*ns state that they have a lower risk of heart disease and cancer, that is statistically the truth. Hundreds of studies done by organizations as diverse as the UN, the World Health Organization, Insurance companies, and the Union of Concerned Scientists have all come to the conclusive fact that a plant-based diet significantly lowers one's risk for many diseases, including diabetes, cancers, hypertension, etc. It's not propaganda, it's good science.

The "facts" you are served by the meat and dairy industry are propaganda, however. The 50-year-old notion that you can only get proper nutrients from meat and dairy is one that has been ingrained in our culture by the billions of advertising dollars of those industries. It is marketing, not science.

As for those vegan diseases you mentioned, I'll try to respond without laughing too hard. I know literally hundreds of vegans, in person and online, and I have never heard of ONE of them having any of the diseases you mentioned or, for that matter, any nutrient deficiency or other chronic or debilitating condition. That's just silly.

Oh, and eating dead carcass IS nasty and gross, I hate to break it to you.

There, I think I got everything.

Answer 8

Dude, you could not be more wrong about milk and about fake burgers at McDonalds. If there were fake soybean burgers, I'd like to know so I can eat them. Unfortunately, those burgers mostly come from spent dairy cows that have been milked indoors for most of their lives to feed a species (humans) that is not supposed to be drinking its milk anyways. ANY adult animal is NOT supposed to be drinking any milk in nature.
You do have a point about vegans predisposing themselves to certain health risks, but you fail to look at the most prevalent health problems in the USA and then comparing how vegans/vegetarians fair to meat eaters. Vegetarianism is basically the answer to America's obesity problem, yet people are too dumb and lazy so they believe the "magic diet pill" being sold at 2:34 am on cable TV.
You do have some valid points, but most of your argument is weak and plugged full of assumptions and just wrong information.
Eat meat if you want to, but do your research before making comparisons. Otherwise, you just look stupid to us.

Answer 9

Wow, animal agribusiness has brainwashed you well. You really need to get some information on this subject that hasn't been tainted by the meat industry. Do you really think that because the Dairy Council tells you that milk is healthy, that means it is true??? They have a product to sell! And going on Wikipedia to look up veganism and then listing off potential risks (as unlikely as they may be) does not make you an expert. Read a little more carefully and learn to do unbiased research and perhaps then you will be qualified to discuss veganism.

Answer 10

Don't get Vegans and Vegetarians mixed up. It makes you look uneducated.