Who wants to prove to me that atheism is more reasonable than Christianity?

Question

Let's debate this. Just list one reason why atheism is more reasonable.

I will respond to the first atheist who makes a sincere point.

It's time to get down to the root of the problems of atheism.

Andy: How do you define what is valid evidence?

Hammy: What is your point?

bongerman: I don't believe in Santa Clause and the Bible is not intended to prove anything. But please explain how these imply there is no God? I'm listening.

together: The backbone of your whole argument rests in your assumption that you can somehow prove there is no evidence for God. Can you prove a negative? Why are you claiming to? I'm listening.

009: You have no point. You assume I believe in God because of a book. Can you prove I believe in God because of a book?

Bush, you're right. But if you don't believe in a Creator, than you believe the world evolved from nothing. This doesn't sound too logical does it. The Bible is full of amazing claims, claims that would be easily defined as unreasonable if it weren't for an amazing God.

Sir Oliver: There is evidence man came from dirt.

Read this: http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/topic3.asp?Cat2=244&ItemID=554

Also, omnipotent doesn't mean "can do all" it means all powerful. God cannot do anything that contradicts His nature and character, which defines Him. Just like a triangle cannot have four sides, because it's defined to have only 3. I'd address the rest of your response but I only asked for one reason, and your 0-2 so far.

Sir Oliver: But I'll address the rest anyways:

You said, "You base your beliefs on a book that has been amended, reviewed, translated and modified too many times to still be considered "the words of God".....

You criticize atheists who bash the OT practices, still you believe in the Genesis and the Ten Commandments...."

The Bible is still 98% consistent to the earliest of the 24,000 current manuscript copies of the NT currently in our possession. And the 2% comes from errors and wordplay such as "Christ Jesus" to "Jesus Christ" and so on...

Source:http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibmanu.htm

You say I criticize atheists who bash OT practices, which is obviously not true. This is proven because this is the first time I've ever responded to anything you've said. So much for maturely judging me. I also agree that most of the people during the O.T. practiced many horrible things. That is why God uses His righteous judgment on those who disobey Him.

Johnny: I'll use this analogy using your reasoning:

Patriots are winning 34-0 in the 4th quarter vs. the Dolphins. While the Bears are winning 13-10 vs the Colts in the 1st quarter. Using your logic, since we can't prove either team will win (since both games are not yet over and anything can happen) they both have equal amount of chance to win.

My point is that evidence and reason are also factors when putting your faith in something. The more reasons you have that support your argument, the more reasonable your side of the argument is. Atheism and Christianity are both NOT equally reasonable just because they both can't be proven.

Answer 1

there is absolutely no evidence of god

what more reason do you need not to believe in something?

Answer 2

Atheism is a religion because it is man made. I reject all man made religions. A religous Christian is a person who chooses man's rules over God's. So now you know why atheists don't choose to be Christians. They belong to the group of Religious Christians (sort of a religous group - since all religions put God's truth in spot number 2 of priority which is equal to rejection of God) even though they aren't Christians. True Christians accept only what God says as truth. There are so many religions in the world and atheism is one of the religions of the world. God is the one who had the idea to write the Bible - so the Bible is from God - not man. Someone who write a book gets the credit not the person or machine who wrote the book right? A religion is man made rules in addition to the Bible. In Revelation the last chapter last verse the Bible warns not to add or take away from the Bible- punishment for doing so will follow. So I hope this answers this atheist question!! Atheists are just another religion of the world - a worldly religion - another rejection of God and Jesus - that is nothing special - just another insult to God - which will get punished eventually. The definition of an atheist is (by facts): Atheists are a religion of their own making. They reject every other religion there is on earth in addition to God's Bible (the truth), God, and Jesus. They choose to believe whatever they want -which might be nothing or whatever comes to their mind at a particular time. To atheists life is not special and I guess they associate themselves more with scientific facts that can be proven (but are just theories - not facts). They have a believe like I said: it is in nothing or whatever they choose and since they make their own rules for their beliefs, they are a man made religion. I have one big thing against atheists: They know that the USA was founded by Christians who wanted to serve God 100% and they had the Bible from which they took their laws yet Atheists go and they tell the government to take prayer out of schools, to take the 10 commandments out of public places for their sake of their non believe. I don't think this should be allowed. If Atheists don't like living in a country founded by God they should leave the USA. Also another thing I have to say to Atheists: You do keep the law of "do not kill" right? That is in the Bible by the way. If you kill then you go to prison. Even Atheists seem to not want to go to prison. Is this a miracle?

Answer 3

How many points do you need? How you choose to process the reasons why people are atheists depends on your level of reason and intelligence. I am an atheist because there is not a single shred of evidence that your (or any other) God exists, whether he or she goes by the name of Allah,Vishnu,Odin,Hercules or whatever. Man once was convinced that God resided up in the heavens; now we know he doesn't, Christianity has decided that he resides in our hearts instead. Since a person's heart is regarded as the place where their emotions lie (when it's nothing so glamorous, but let's play along), it follows that God must be an emotion too, since he lives in all of our hearts according to Christian beliefs. In my humble opinion that this is why it is a primal human need, to worship a God of one form or another, we really need to feel as if there is a supreme and benevolent creator out there, and we're not really all just....existing. Alone. Isn't that what scares Christians most of all, that God might not really exist? That your life is actually nothing more than a fairly pointless nanosecond in the earth's history? If God was actually proven to exist, I think atheists would be jumping for joy along with people of all religions, that's the difference. If God was proven to not exist, there would be mass suicides amongst the religious communities. And that is why you can never admit the possibility that He might not exist.

Answer 4

Many Christians live according to the Bible, and take a lot of what's in the Bible to be the true word of God.

Some atheists and agnostics take the words in the Bible with a grain of salt (a LOT of salt, heh). This means not accepting the stale scripture in the Bible as truth, but THINKING about the concepts and perhaps modelling their own moral compass based on these.

To accept the words in the Bible as God's truth is unreasonable, if for no other reason because we simply cannot confirm God truly wrote these words, but also because the Bible is a document, and documents can be changed, forged, corrupted and perverted from their original text, warping and distorting their original meanings.

Answer 5

1. As a Christian, you agree that all other religions on earth are false and man-made, so the only difference between you and I (an atheist), is Christianity. Arguments such as the argument from design, telelogical arguments, etc are therefore moot, since you have created a dichotomy between Christianity and Atheism.

2. As a Christian, you are atheistic towards other specific theisms such as Islam, Buddhism, Mormonism, etc. Thus, I can assume that rejection of a specific theology is a reasonable position, since you hold it with regards to many other religions.

3. That raises the sole question as to whether or not Christianity is a reasonable religion (having shown in #2 above that you agree with me that in certain cases, atheism is rational).

4. My first argument that Christianity is not reasonable: It makes claims of miracles from 2,000 years ago for which there are no witnesses (Paul, as well as the authors of the gospels, never met Jesus and cannot testify towards the veracity of these incredible claims).

Answer 6

Christianity requires one to believe in that which, by definition, has no evidence to support its existence. This is not a sensible way to live ones life. Atheism, however, adheres to the more logical and rational belief that, as there is no evidence available or possible, there is no reason to believe that god exists. Thus, it is clearly more reasonable.

I notice that in none of your arguments do you present anything showing a reasonable explanation for the belief in god. Now, I know that you're not required to under your own question, but if you're debating reasonableness, shouldn't you tell us why your point of view is reasonable?

Answer 7

Christianity - Belief that a giant man who sits on a cloud snapped his fingers and created the world in six days, and despite years of scientific research, believe that what is common sense knowledge about things like dinosaurs and the age of the earch are false because "Jesus said so." Belief that one of these days every person who is a Christian is going to shoot up into the air or disappear into thin air, and everyone else is going to be left behind to fight a war with a four headed dragon (this is what I was taught). Belief that a guy named Noah built a big boat, placed all of the billions of species on the Earth on it (even ones like kangaroos that can't possibly swim from Australia to the Middle East) and floated around while the entire earth was covered with water. Belief that the races and languages of the world were created when the sky-dude snapped his fingers and made it so. I could go on.

Atheism - The disbelief in that stuff.

Answer 8

I don't think you can compare the two belief systems. See, Atheists rely on science, and things that are already proved, whereas Christians rely on blind faith and a book that was written long ago by men who thought it would be great to scare people into obeying rules with threat of damnation and making women submissive. Maybe it's you who has a point to prove? That's the thing about religion, there is no proof available. All they say is, I have faith, God loves me, I'm going to Heaven. YOU SHOW ME PROOF. You silly person, you.

Answer 9

Your question:

"Who wants to prove to me that atheism is more reasonable than Christianity?"

Some definitions:

"prove" - to establish the truth or genuineness of, as by evidence or argument.
(source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prove)

"atheism" - the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
(source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism)

"christianity" - the Christian religion, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches.
(source :http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/christianity)

"reasonable" - agreeable to reason or sound judgment; logical
(source:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reasonable)


My answer:

The view that there is some sort of heirachy of 'reasonableness' evident by comparing one doctrine to another as a whole is probably the largest source of argument amongst people across time and is perhaps the greatest mistake made by all those participating in the arguments.

The implication of your question is that either christianity and/ or atheism are reasonable and that one is 'more reasonable' than the other. However the problem here is that they are both reasonable as defined by their own idioms. By which I mean if you define christianity using the bible as a source of truth it is logical and sound of judgement but using the scientific method, christianity looks like a load of bunk and vice versa.

Another dificulty I have with your question is trying to compare a whole set of religions (christianity) to a single instance of belief (atheism). This is like trying to compare a computer to a transistor. Christianity is a huge, complex, evolving meta-structure and atheism is simply the belief that there is no God(s).

In short you can't prove that atheism is more/less reasonable than christianity simply because the two are too different in scope and structure. You just can't compare apples to oranges..

Your question seems simple enough (I'm sure we all know what you think you mean) however i think you have asked the question in a way that is open to too much conjecture. If you really want a decent answer to this question, think more about how you structure it. What do you really mean?

Answer 10

the ideas of any religion cant be proved. i can write something down 1000 times and it still wont be true. atheism is just the rejection of religion. theres nothing to prove or not to prove. now you prove to me how an all powerful being can be alive in another dimension and that this all powerful beings son can be born from a virgin and save sins. what exactly made him save sins? just because someone said so? if jesus ever lived he was obviously a drunk probably a stoner just by the times he was living in and trust me when ur stoned and ur buddies r stoned u can say ur the son of god and chances are theyll hallucinate that ur walking on water and believe u.

Answer 11

Mkay....

You believe that a magic being made a man from mud and then made a woman from the mudman's rib....and that's just for starters....

You call this magic being "omnipotent" (can do all), but if I ask you whether your magic being (a.k.a. "God") can destroy himself, you either copy/paste scripture or deviate from the subject with ad-hominem attacks....

You cover the gap of scientific uncertainty with your god, thus leaving no room whatsoever for alternative theories (this has been done too many times before, and your faith has been consistently proved wrong over time).....

You base your beliefs on a book that has been amended, reviewed, translated and modified too many times to still be considered "the words of God".....

You criticize atheists who bash the OT practices, still you believe in the Genesis and the Ten Commandments....

In a nutshell....when we atheists try to give you a logical explanation, all you fundies do is cover your ears, shut your eyes and babble "na na na na na na!!"

Your move now....