Is the Roman Catholic Church as fractured as they say the Christian Church is?

Question

This from Catholics today:

Mary had more kids; Mary was a Virgin
Jesus said it is "accomplished"/"finished"/"fulfilled"/ BUT the point is moot because they all "mean the same thing."
Communion is Calvary "all over again"; Communion is not Calvary "all over again"
No confession before Communion unless a mortal sin/must confess before Communion, but it need not be a mortal sin

All they want to argue is semantics, it seems...

Then you got the AngliKan guy... I think the church universal is not so, ah, universal...

Answer 1

First of all, Catholics ARE Christians. The fracturing of the Church is a scandal, and seems only to be worsening as time goes on.

You are conflating "what the Church teaches" with "what (purported) Catholics say."

If you want to know what the Church teaches in terms of doctrine, dogma, and discipline, look to the authoritative source, not to what individual Catholics say.

I'll give you an example: the part about "Calvary all over again" which you claim is evidence of some kind of confusion. Depending on how the question is posed, both explainations may be correct. The Liturgy of the Eucharist is not "another Calvary" (which is a claim often made by those not accepting the Scriptural teaching of the Eucharist) in terms of a "re-sacrifice over and over and over again." We do believe that the sacrifice of Christ was given to us one time only, and that it is enough. However, it is a re-presentation of Calvary which we are commanded to make. It is part of the ongoing (outside of time) life of Christ, so it is an "entering in" to the eternal; in that regard, it is Calvary (and to us it is "again," though not to Christ). Not contradictory, but mystery. Hard to explain in this kind of environment.

To gain understanding, stop asking questions in a place where anyone can claim to be a Catholic, and give wrong answers, and do real research (so many resources online for free, you know) to learn the truth.

Answer 2

No, the Roman Catholic Church has remained, intact, for more than 2,000 years.

+All women are virgins originally. Even if Mary had more children, that doesn't negate the fact of the virgin birth. She was a virgin when she conceived Jesus. That doesn't need to mean that she remained a virgin for her entire life.
+What's your point here?
+Ohhhh....so you're the "Calvary all over again" guy. No matter who explains it to you, you aren't going to hear the truth, are you? This one was explained at length; if you still don't understand it, then it is your refusal not to.
+We do not have to go to confession before we receive Communion. A general confession is built right into the mass right before we receive. This one isn't even making any sense.

So, are you an Evangelical or a Fundamentalist? I think you're a fundie because of your hatred for all things not like you, but I'm not sure if Evangelicals do that. Enlighten me, oh wise one!

Answer 3

People who call themselves Catholic are not forced to believe of live Catholic and the same is true of other Christians. I don't judge a group on the people who do not live by the teachings,principles, rules and motivators of the group yet still claim to be a part of the group.

May people also who belong to particular groups are not well educated about the teachinhgs. Catholics and others can always look things up in the Catechism of the Catholic Church if they really want to find out what the Church teaches.

The Catholic Church is united in jurisdiction and doctrine and moral teaching unlike the 30.000+ Protestant groups. Never theless, Trinitarian Christians of evry type share much more in common than tey have that divides. We all have the same Master,Lord,Savior,Teacher and Sacrifice,Jesus Christ.

Answer 4

I'm just going to answer the first part of the question. First of all, the Catholic Church is a Christian church as they believe in and follow the preachings of Jesus Christ. But more to your point, of course the Catholic Church is fractured. It's following teachings and doctrine that were established long, long ago, that have not so much relevance in modern society. They haven't adapted to fit modern people or to include all groups, and in my opinion, they're going to be forced to do it eventually in order to save the religion (from itself, essentially).

Answer 5

The Catholic Church is one in faith, sacraments and government and has been so for over 2000 years.

There are a lot of people who are baptized Catholic but don't know the Catholic faith, it's no fault to them and maybe that's why they can say funny stuff.

Answer 6

I do not know a catholic that "goes by the book" so to speak. It seem as though their attitude is that they are 'catholic', so that takes care of their spiritual obligations-now lets get on with life.