Atheists are the minority in the US.
You must have read different statistics. They are also the least-trusted and most vilified minority.
So why are you claiming to be 'persecuted' when you already have the upper-hand over atheists and other religions by a mile?
The people that came to America and all but wiped-out the natives persecuted everyone but themselves. Is this a hangover of that mindset?
A kind of 'we're still in charge but still persecuted' thing?
Go see if you can run for office as an atheist...?
See if there is an atheist at your next funeral waving a placard saying that you hate America...?
See if there is an atheist leading your country and claiming that atheism told him to make war on another country...?
Get back to me. But it seems you are right on one thing; you don't undertsand...
;-)
2007-11-14 01:53:53
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answer #1
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answered by Bajingo 6
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The Puritans were not escaping religious persecution. They were thrown out of England for sedition and the murder of a king. England sent the Puritans here and they emptied the jails and sent the convicts to settle Australia. To this day Austrailians think they got the better bargain. And, of course, they did.
Of course the Puritans did not found this country. Most were on the side of the Brits during the Revolution. Those, anyway, that were still around. The Puritans as a group with any power or significance had (literally) burned themselves out in the witch trials of the 1690s. Eighty years before the establishment of the U.S.A. The true founders of our democracy were liberals--Unitarians and broad church Anglicans.
2007-11-14 02:16:15
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answer #2
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answered by Anonymous
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This country was founded by Christians escaping persecution... that you are correct. But more so, it was founded on the principle of equality and religious freedom. This nation is governed by law, not the bible. The government "shall make no law" favoring any particular religion. So far so good....
However, when the atheists band together and say...we don't want our tax dollars funding private christian schools, the Christian coalition deems it to be an attack on religion. It is not....it is enforcing the principles on which this country was founded, and endorsing seperation of church and state.
This is NOT a Christian country..... it is a FREE country, which must accomodate all religions under a common rule of law. The founding fathers DID NOT base the constitution and bill of rights on religion... they based it on the idea of religious freedom, and respect for human rights.
2007-11-14 02:06:43
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answered by Anonymous
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Yeah see that's the thing. It was discovered and settled by Christians escaping persecution, yet they persecute anyone who doesn't believe as they do. They threw a fit when a muslim was voted into office, had a cow when a hindu prayer was said in Congress, insist on shoving God down our throat keeping it iin the pledge (Not original to the pledge by the way) knocking on our doors, boo hooing that they can't lead prayer in school anymore.
So they kinda turned into exactly what they were running from. THAT's why we throw a fit. Freedom of Religion doesn't mean Freedom of Christianity. It means freedom of ALL religion. God is stated NOWHERE in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. This is for a reason. The treaty of tripoli, which was UNANIMOUSLY voted on by the way states that the US is in no way a Christian Nation. These are the same men that Christians claim "founded the nation of Christian principals." I really wish people would pay attention in History class instead of trying to rewrite it.
edit: Oh well they put the "Year of our Lord" then we are a Christian nation! OMG what was I thinking. What the **** were they supposed to put? That was standard English. Let's the could have put in the Year of us Humans, but I doubt people would have taken that too seriously. And I like you completly ignored the Treaty of Tripoli. I see some of you cherry pick history like you do the Bible. Gods help us all.
2007-11-14 01:55:08
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answered by ~Heathen Princess~ 7
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I don't think that it's so much that they have a problem with God, I do believe that possibly it is the way our culture has become. The media enforces and pushes belief in ourselves. Than you have religious holyrollers, who give Christians a bad name, and the tv evangilist scandels surely don't help. I do believe that the forefathers of our nation had the right idea, but the controversies of the federal goverment not allowing the 10 Commandments in Court Houses, but you are sworn in by placing your hand on a Bible? Our currancy states "In God We Trust"? You have to admit it is a bit hypocritical, more than a bit. Than politicians using religion as a platform for elections and getting busted for doing something morally wrong.
I think somehow people get it backwards, you know. They don't hate their country for religion, they hate the politics that abuses religion. Yet it is important to remember that this country was founded also for religious freedom of all religions, and Americans need to learn to accept that not everyone, is Baptist, Catholic, etc. We have Mormans, Islam, etc., and they have a right to believe and speak their beliefs without fear of prosecution, and that right is something that we all have under the constitution.
2007-11-14 02:06:21
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answered by Anonymous
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They do not have a problem with God. The problem is the egotistical, dictational, Christians who are intolerant of anyone who does not believe as they do, express hatred of people who espouse abortion, homosexuality etc whilst committing adultery and other sins themselves.
In essence Christians are attempting a covert civil war to take over America and turn it from a free country believing in human rights and religious freedom into a dictatorship run by Christians!!!!!
The founding fathers would not want anything to do with people that call themselves Christian Americans nowadays. Far to intolerant and far, far too removed from what Christianity actually stands for!!!
2007-11-14 02:56:59
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answered by Anonymous
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i,m not american but if i remember correctly the pilgrims were relative late comers and that there were already english colonists there. they left england to escape the mild annoyances of not being able to attend university and being find a shilling for not attending church, but they went to the netherlands first. but even though they were tolerated there they found it difficult to make a living and feared that their children were becoming too dutch. most of the congregations returned to england. it wasn't persecution that sent them to america but economic reasons and fear of loosing their ethnic identity.
and also as far as i know the war of independence was inspired by the ingrained belief in the freedom that had been part of english culture since magna carta, after all england became a republic for a while when king charles 1 tried to override the elected will of parliament. and the ideals of the french enlightenment. most of the leaders of the were land owning gentry and were influenced by the philosophy of locke, hume and the politics of voltaire and diderot. this would have firmly planted them in the deist or agnostic camp rather than traditional christians.
and some of us foreigners get a bit nervous at the idea of a christian version of iran. i mean how would you feel if some end of dayer was president with his finger on the button of Armageddon
2007-11-14 02:17:41
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answered by Anonymous
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Okay people have nothing against god sweety, they get a little pissed when Christians change laws in their own favor, push around those who do not believe the same as them, and in general get a pompous attitude like yourself about how they are always right and deserve all the power in the world.
Do your research. Half the founding fathers were Unitarians. That means that they were so liberal about their belief that most protestants probably felt like they were pretty blashpemetic. AKA: they believed we "non-believers" have the right to exist.
Please go back to your church and ***** to all the likeminded sheep who will agree with you, we do not want to hear about it. I bet you don't even know about the cultures and religions you are trying to obliterate off the planet because you are brainwashed and think you are right. To some of them, America is the last safehaven in the world where they can make a decent living.
2007-11-14 01:56:46
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answered by <Sweet-Innocence> 4
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Its too early to go Tripoli link diving. Lady- suffice to say you need to do a little reading on US history- our founding fathers were not Christian. IN FACT, Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were well known for spouting off long negative rants about Christianity. They didn't like it, however they felt that religious freedom was necessary- that way the Christians could have their god, the Muslims could have theirs, the Deists could have theirs... you get the picture.
The Christians (especially recently) have been overstepping these boundaries. They're pushing their BELIEFS in schools, laws, bedrooms, and hospitals. These BELIEFS are being treated as facts and are distorting the original intentions of this country- and people's freedoms are suffering.
2007-11-14 01:56:27
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answer #9
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answered by Katie Couric's 15 Minutes... 4
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You forget that our country was founded by people who were escaping from being persecuted BY Christians!
That is exactly why they founded a country based on the Laws of Man and without calling on any authority from God. That is why they forbid any establishment of religion in government. That is why they expressly forbid any religious test for holding political office.
They believed that separation of church and state was the best way to protect BOTH church AND state. There is probably a reason why Americans are more church going than most other countries - I think that reason is the separation of church and state which allows churches to florish without the interference of government and without favor of government on any religion.
I have no objection to having people who believe in God in our country. But I strongly object to having God in our government because that is the height of anti-Americanism!
2007-11-14 02:02:23
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answered by Anonymous
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