The faults of atheist logic examined?

Question

Here's another argument from an atheist:

"The Bible says that Jesus and God are one, yet seperate. Jesus is God, but he's not, but he is. In the New Testament, Satan is seen tempting Jesus/God. This is interesting since Satan knew that Jesus was God and yet seperate, so why did he think that tempting him would work?

"I'm going to tempt Jesus/God so that Jesus/God wouldn't be without sin, so he couldn't die for people's sins so everyone will go to Hell. God won't see that coming. It's not like God can see into the future."

Here is my rebuttal:

Jesus did not know for sure what would happen in every single circumstance. When God sent himself as Jesus on the earth, I believe that he cut himself off from some of his knowledge. If Jesus knew everything single thing, then it wouldn't have been a true test.

Jesus was to live as a man so he could die for our sins.

Agree?

Answer 1

That must be one weird atheist if he was willing to debate the finer points of a book of fairy tales. Most of them don't bother wasting their time like that!

Answer 2

It sounds like a good premise for a comic book or graphic novel. However, Tolkien did it better. When the Istari (Maiar-immortal beings who served the Valar) went to Middle Earth, they assumed regular human forms. Some were seduced by the idea of the physical form and fell victim to the lusts of the flesh, greed, material evils and the like. Thus Saruman fell and came under control of Sauron. But Gandalf, the Jesus figure, did not succumb to this temptation, instead treating the low just as the high, holding hobbits in more esteem than the great Steward of Gondor, and rightly so...Gandalf lived as a man and thus was exposed to the temptations of the flesh. He passed the test, but Saruman did not.

Answer 3

You "believe that he cut himself off from some of his knowledge"? Does it say that in your favourite religious book? If not, what gave you license to make up your own stories? Does it say at the beginning "Note to the reader: some passages may lack logic or coherency and may offend - feel free to reinterpret however you like"?

The kind of logical hoops you have to jump through to try and justify your beliefs to yourself should really tell you something about the validity of your magic story book.

And what are you wittering on about? A "true test"? So what if it wasn't? Your god is supposed to be omniscient, therefore knows the result of any test before it happens.

Answer 4

An atheist doesn't believe in god or the bible or that jesus was a divine being so, basically, your rebuttal is pointless. the athiest argument you mention above sounds to me like an attempt to point out the senselessness of religion and the bible, not a true attempt at logical discussion.

Answer 5

*My* personal logic doesn't enter into arguments such as this. God is nothing but the inventions of men, and I have no reason to believe that Jesus even existed at all, let alone that he was a deity. There's not much to argue about beyond that point.

Answer 6

No i don't.
Sounds like typical religous rhetoric to me. Trying to answer a legitimate question with a belief instead of actual logical thinking. When you actually answer the question without trying to get people to believe in some religous nonsense, maybe we could have a discussion.

Answer 7

Logic ought not to be subjective. If Jesus was a man, then he would be subject to all human emotions and experiences. Temptation is something all people have to overcome or succumb to depending on how strong your will power is.

Answer 8

You labelled yourself "full of crap" the moment you started talking about the bible as though its a factual document. It ISN'T.

Answer 9

An Atheist said that? I don't believe it.

Answer 10

LOL...sure. Whatever you want. When you're making up mythology as you go, it's pretty easy to explain anything. Atheists don't have that luxury.