Native Americans lived in California for over 10,000 years before the Spanish came so why do Mexicans feel?

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they have a right to this land?

Then what about the Ohlones and the Karuk and other nations of California?

thanks mutant albino... my family is cherokee/shawnee I have extended family in several other nations, including lakota and ohlone so you might understand why I smell a con by those claiming a right to land here..

Ms. LA... I KNEW there was a reason you made so much sense! LOL

The retreating Spanish long ago handed California over to the Mexicans, who administered California for a brief period of 30 years. Mexico's hold over the territory was neither appropriate nor legitimate, as Mexico was and still is a basket-case of a country politically and economically. The region was sparsely populated because the Spanish nearly committed genocide upon the native population by military means and with diseases. But today, some Quixotic Mexican radicals, most of them eager racists, believe they must "reconquer" California. Interestingly, it is also the same argument that was used by the Nazis to pursue more territory in Eastern Europe, which they termed Lebensraum, meaning "room to live." from: http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/mexico.html

X man: not since i had a traffic collision with an illegal immigrant last week

Caldude: tell that to my Ohlone and Karuk friends who are still very much alive here. Your eludes me as that still does not make it Mexican land nor does it make Mexicans Native American.

Thanks Glenn...kind of you to say. I don't think we should be policing the world, either. I think we should be setting our sights at home, building infrastructure and creating jobs for the people who are here... including real jobs for the first americans who have been disregarded and relegated to the history books as if they aren't even living anymore.

Answer 1

Looking at the Mexican part of the illegal alien problem in the US. The Mexicans coming into the US are southern invaders of the lands in California, New Mexico, Texas etc.. The indigenous peoples of the area were not expelled to Mexican territory after the Annexation of Texas, Gadsden Purchase and Mexican Cessation but remained in their homelands. Numerous treaties were signed with those peoples and tribes.

If you look at lists of North American Tribes and compare it to Mexican tribes, you will find that none were common to both areas.

Mexico and Latin America did not develop economically, as did America and Canada even though the density of natural resources is similar. This is most likely attributable to elements of the Spanish and Portuguese rule during colonization. It is reasonable to assume that had the Annexation of Texas, the Gadsden Purchase and the Mexican Cessation had not taken place, these areas would have been economically depressed with a similar society and living conditions to that of modern Mexico.

This means the claim by some illegal aliens coming from the south that they have an ancestral claim on the land is false. The indigenous peoples in Mexico were of completely different Indian Nations than in North America. The indigenous peoples of North America never left but became part of America and played a part in making it is as it is today.

Native North American Indian Nations:

Abenaki Acoma Algonquin Anishinaabe Apache Arapaho Assiniboine Athabascan Blackfeet Blackfoot Caddo Cayuga Cheraw Cherokee Cheyenne Chickasaw Chicora Chinook Chippewa Choctaw Chumash Coeur d'Alene Comanche Costanoan Cree Creek (Muskogee) Crow Dakota Delaware Dene Edisto Euchee Flathead Gros Ventre Gwitchan Haida Haudenosaunee Havasupai Hidatsa Ho-Chunk Hopi Huron Iowa Iroquois Kaw Kawaiisu
Kickapoo Kiowa Lakota Lenape Lumbee Maliseet Mandan Mattaponi Menominee Metis MicMac Mojave Mohawk Mohegan Mohican Monacan Muscogee Nanticokes Narragansett Navajo Nez Perce Nipmuc Odawa Ohlone Ojibwe Omaha Oneida Onondaga Osage Paiute Pima Ponca Potawatomi Powhatan Pueblo Quapaw Sac Salish Seminole Seneca Shawnee Shinnecock Shoshone Sioux Tsalagi Tuscarora Ute Wea Wichita Winnebago Wyandot Yavapai Yokut Zuni

Native Mexican Indian Nations:

Amuzgo Aztecs Chatino Chichi-Pooloca Chichimeco Jonaz Chinanteco Chol Chontal (de Tabasco) Chuj Cochimi Cora Cucapa Cuicateca Guarijio Huasteco Huave Huichol Ixcateco Jacalteco Kikapu (Mexican Kickapoo of northern Coahuila state) Kiliwa Kumiai Lacandon Lipan Apache north of Chihuahua Mame Matlatzinca Mayans Fernando Hernandez, Mayan Elder & Healer Mayo Mazahua Mixe Mixteca Motozintleco Nahua


http://www.comanchelodge.com/american-indian-tribes.html
http://www.indians.org/welker/mexnat1.htm

Answer 2

Native only to that region, not to North America. There is some people in that mix that feel they lost their land through illegal means. They tend to not remember, or perhaps have not learned history. The lands they once had in what is now America were obtained either through war, as spoils of war, or through purchase. For that which was purchased, fair minded people uphold legal contracts, which these people do not appear to be fair minded. One point of contention is that the government that made the transaction is not recognized, now. Considering the instability of their own country, and the others of Spanish descent, that might be a point to consider. The best answer then would be to toss them out of the country, and seal the border. If they come back, they come as trouble makers, and will be punished accordingly. The other possibility is to just make Mexico a part of America with a refusal of citizenship to all who oppose that annexation. If these people want the land back, let them either buy it back, like the Gadsden purchase, for what that land is worth now, in pure gold as it was bought, or fight for the land as was also done. Our response should be one of scorched earth from our southern border to that of Mexico without destroying the trees and forests. Nerve gas would do quite well for forested areas.

Answer 3

First of all, the ones who feel that way subscribe to the racist idea that a person should be judged by his ancestry, rather than by his own merits or actions. Second, most Mexicans have at least some indigenous ancestry, while most Americans do not. Therefor, they reason, since they have more indigenous ancestors, the land actualy belongs to them. That the Mexican ancestry in question was primarily nuahtl-speaking natives of what is now Mexico, rather than any peoples who lived in what is now America does not seem to enter into thier reasoning, however.

That sort of reasoning is common to hyper-nationalistic and fascist movements. For instance, in pre-WWII Germany, that National Socialist Worker's Party made extensive use of a manufactured Tuetonic mythology that painted much of the surrounding lands as 'really' belonging to the German people. In the same period, Italy played off similar claims based on the former extent of the Roman Empire.

Of course, expansionists don't /have/ to manufacture prior claims, America didn't when the concept of 'manifest destiny' was popular, for instance.

Answer 4

Most Mexicans are Native American or have large Amerindian blood. Also there tribes or empire are the same as Canada and the United states so yes they are North American as well. So basiclly they still own the land since there natives

Answer 5

everyone always thinks they have the rights to the land because they had it taken away from them somehow. The world is based on the possesion of land by force or purchase.

In the past the strongest military force usually wiped out the at the time, the current people living off the land. In a sense its survival of the fittest. The Native americans/inuit came from across the land bridge. Pilrims came and wiped them out and took the settled lands, the US was founded and took as much territory as they could get their hands on. Tried to take over Canada but was repelled...those who were not strong enough to defend their land were invaded and conquered. It was the way the world worked.

Answer 6

Mexicans are not U.S. Native Americans, and Mexicans don't understand it. In fact, Mexicans and U.S. Native Americans never got along. Mexicans used to try to attack U.S. Native Americans.

Also, Mexicans have no blood relations to the tribes in California. Many tribes in the U.S. (including ones in Southern California) are currently kicking out people with questionable claims of membership to their U.S. Native American tribe. Individuals in tribes must genetically be at least one eighth part of a tribe to be considered a tribe member. And Mexicans are not even one one-thousandth part of a California tribe.

That is because the Mexian-U.S. border was around nearly one thousand years ago. The root Native American language of the Soutwest was spoken all of the way to Alaska. It was not spoken in Mexico. Mexicans speak a different language.

The Southwest's Apache warrior Chief Geronimo was proud to have killed so many Mexicans after they brutally killed his wife, his children, and his mother.

When Will Undocumented People Stop Pretending To Be U.S. Native Americans?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070906215246AAgDwe8

Mexico also deports its illegal immigrants.

Answer 7

I have a different feeling about who belongs where. Human beings have been pushing other human beings from their lands since human beings started migrating from wherever they started at. That said, even today on a smaller scale people are encroaching on people. It's a horrible feeling, but just a human condition that we continually crowd one another out of where the other guy has been living. Right, wrong, indifferent. I don't know, but I think it just is so that we push and shove each other all over this planet. It really is no ones yet is every ones problem

Answer 8

You have to be kidding right? They aren't here because they feel they have a right to this land. They're here trying to feed families. Mexicans and Spanish are NOT the same thing. The language is similar but its like assuming everyone from the US is of French descent. Who was in Rome before the Romans? Who was in Russia and who was in China? It's a pointless argument. If we continue to turn away our brothers and sisters then we are at fault. Yes its a very flawed system and yes it sends 3 billion extra dollars a year into the Mexican economy. But what is the alternative? They aren't terror threats. And they aren't a drain on welfare either. Go and get the REAL stats of who is on welfare and who's not. You will see more whites than anyone else followed by hispanics-not the same as Mejicanos-and blacks. Thats the reality of it. The alternative is we have an African country in our back yard that we could have avoided. That in turn causes the wild spread of disease and terrorism and extremism. Its just not as big a deal as it's made out to be unless you are concerned about a white majority and purity of race. That's the reality of it.

Answer 9

Michelle, I love your mind, not to mention your picture! What a combo!!! Personally I think what we did to the Indians was horrible. But that was then, and this is now. Let Mexicans feel what they want to. But this country is called the United States, not the united States of Mexico. Americans fought, died and sacrificed for this country. Mexico has their own, we already police the world, we can't go to Mexico to make things better. But Mexicans also have no right to try and run to our country illegally, because they don't like their own.

Answer 10

they are plain period.. their education is so minimum. and they want what is not theirs. goes to reason once a theif always a theif.and the native americans had all the land from one coast to the other...