Where do islamists get the silly notion that whereing a buka/njab means people dont judge by looks...its wrong

Question

The bs line seems to be

To protect their modesty- to force people (especially boys/men) to judge them by their character and intelligence rather than looks/body

However this is total horsepoop as anyone covering up is judged ten times more by this look as a faceless thing with no identity, personality, assumeb dumb and underedcuated as seen as nothing moe then property to be used for sex and bringing up kids with no life or persoanlity of its own.

Note the word it as you cant tell if its human, animal, male, female anything.

If 8 woemn walk down the street far from not being looked at the one in the burka gets stared at for being the freak with no face or individuality or personality.

Where as the other girls are seen as just human. With clear individiulaity, persaonlaity, likely a name, and you can tell what they are into from dress, and hair style (just like guys)

As for sexaul elements... sure just like guys but people dont only see you as boobs. they may notice t

notice those firsat as most obvious then want to get to know the rest so would be more likly to go over chat and find out about said brain and mid too.

But next time would recongnise this person by face. Whilst seen one burka seen them all.

You cant teel if a burka is happy, sad, excited as no face.

You wont get to know them as a person as its just relelant just like if guys went artound in those scarey IRA style balaclavas

So much of communiciation is in the faceial expression and how you project yourself look wise ie hippy, goth, wild, tame conservative.

So as said where do these people think just as face and body is covered up people will see your mind.

They dont, those who have persoanliaty and identy are far more seen as a mind with their energy, knowledge and passion

Likewaise just as somone finds you attractive does not mean they see you as dumb.


You can be smart and look hot and all it means is you would be seen as friend and potientioal lover/relatioship material rather then just mate

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Burkas are repellant and you dont see the person.


Somone with a face, various accessories showing say what music they are into to, if fiesty, sweet, hots, wild, sporty etc. You can suss them out.


A silly example but one that could illustrate the point could be the Spice girls.

ie

Sporty
Posh
Baby
Scarey

Now compare to

buka
buka
buka
buka

Cant tell whos who, any difference between them and would not get to know any anyway

Persoanlly Im nmore into rocky music so somone with punky hair would be apealing as it shows their passion for music and identity etc.

also who cares about colour unless a wannabe gangster type.

Also hate any puritantisim

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That being said GROW UP and learn to be tolerant and maybe, just maybe one of these folks might become a friend of yours. PEACE!


Erm Tollerant... like they are in islamic couples of playboy models, gays, lesbinas, and sexaully active young unmarried couples... the ones they exectute?

Candy

Its called typos and fast typing where you are not looking at the screen very often but looking at the keyboard

Yes I do know english

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Sen you need to learn what racisim means

Ie your genes not what football team or religion you support.

Relgion is not race but what you choose.

if you go through my posts you will find Im very much am not ignorant but hate islam in the same sense any sexsit, homopbic, repressive, puritanicial system.

Most of my mates are girls. All individuals.

Also Im no drunking yob, hardly if ever drink.

If I go clubbing its for the music, atmosphere, social scene and hoping to meet somone to get close to as sex is assocaited with affection and oral sex as you mentioned is part of that.

If I had sex with anyone would either want to become friends or date

ISLAM LINKS
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/13958/Saved:+Christian+woman+who+faced+being+stoned+to+death

girl saved from stoning

EXECUTING 13 YEAR OLDS GIRLS FOR HAVING SEX… DEATH BY STONING THE MOST VIOLENT, AGONISING AND SCARY WAY… SEE VIDEO AFTER LINK

http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2004/october/izadi_161004.shtml


DEFFINETELY SEE THIS ALL THE WAY THOUGH TO THE END

IMAGINE THE SCREAMS AND USE A STOPWATCH

Clear video stoning
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

YOUNG TEEN GIRL BEING STONED TO DEATH WHICH LASTWED 30 MIN TILL SHE DIED
http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/bisaba...
http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/video-...
http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/016.3g...
http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/1.3gp....
http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/2.3gp....
http://www.jebar.info/yazidivedio/3.3gp....
http://www.aina.org/news/20070425181603....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/st...


THE TRUE NATURE OF ISLAM

http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002092.html

http://www.stoning-themovie.com/en/index2.htm
Source(s):
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

http://www.apostatesofislam.com...

http://www.pmw.org.il/index.html...

http://www.anti-cair-net.org

http://www.frontpagemag.com

http://www.faithfreedom.org

MORE TEENAGERS BEING EXECUTED FOR MAKING LOVE OR RESISTING RAPE

http://uk.messages.news.yahoo.com/World/threadview?bn=UK-NEWS-WOR-Religion&tid=7667&mid=7667&tof=10&m=tm&rt=2

TEENAGE GIRL TO BE HUNG IN IRAN FOR DEFENDING HERSELF AGAINST RAPE. AND ANOTHER FOR SEX
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009746.php

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?story...


16 YEAR OLD HUNG FOR HAVING SEX.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/08/29/do2903.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/08/29/ixportal.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21502

DEATH OF A PRINCESS EXECUTED FOR FALLING IN LOVE
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/princess/

http://www.transdiffusion.org/emc/behindthescreens/princess.php

200 MURDERED IN RIOTS OVER A SILLY BEAUTY SHOW AND JOKE WHILST YOUNG MOTHERS TO BE TORTURE STONED TO DEATH
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2240790.stm

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=155606

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5184

ALL punishments are carried out in the name if ISLAM!

FORCED ARRANGED AND CHILD MARRIAGE

http://marriage.about.com/od/arrangedmarriages/a/childbride.htm?terms=human+rights+chicago

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=612&id=437042002

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=389831&in_page_id=1879&in_a_source

HONOUR KILLINGS

http://www.rawa.org/honorkilling.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=396745&in_page_id=1770

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1328238.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2567077.stm

http://www.hindunet.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=71832&Main=60597

http://www.stophonourkillings.com/index.php?name=Content&pid=12

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/06/video-released-honor-killing-victim.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZXU_xXUxXI


GAYS BEING EXECTUTED

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1838222,00.html

http://clarityandresolve.com/archives/2005/07/iran_killing_ga.php

** TREATMENT OF WOMEN **

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ateqeh_Rajabi

http://www.iranliberty.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=18&Itemid=63

http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/saudi/briefing/4.html

http://www.dhushara.com/book/sakina/stoningetc/stoning.htm

http://www.rawa.org/jail.htm

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html





Sexist me?

no Im fighting sexsim and repression and often helping teens here find somoen to love and couple up with them to be happy. Hence saying how to understand and get the guy they like

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Hannah Montana not on tonight?

Actually no.

See the videos above including those of the girl screming in agony and terror as stoned to death

Thats what sexisim is about... this one is a kurdish girl but the islamic world is full of stonings

I prefer Spooks and Heros. or documentires

All your talk about belief and non belief shows religion is all about bullying people with scarey stories into doing what some old past it blokes into power want them to do.

its not different to saying if you dont work like my salve the oky poky monster will come and get you.

Or if you want to talk about god . Why not aphrodite goddess of love so you need to make love... publically to worship her or you go to hell.

How about viking gods so you have to carry around a sword incase you die. Pretty sure all the gang types would love that.

Surely you must believe that or you dont go to valhalla.

Then there are the native american spirit gods, the greek gods, the roman gods, the egyption gods.

People like you used to say if people are not sacrificed then the crops wont grow.

All is BS

As for exploitation of women... Get real.

FACT is girls know their can use their sexaulity to get whatever they want from guys, to manipulate them, to sell to them, to get money out o

to get money out of them, to get looked after by them etc.

Islam being male dominance based cant stand the idea of girls with power so tricks them inot hiding that which givs them more power then an army.

You need an army to get though and old castle door.

a hot babe just has to seduce the door guard or can get a king to give her control of an army.

Who earns more mate a pole dancer on £175,000pa or a bouncer?


You need mates who are girls thay aint so defencless and can learn self defence

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Sen B quote

Do you help them while staring at there boobs? I think that is pretty sexist your own words in responce to the linked question you answered above.

Quote - " Will also stare ie check out and be facinated with your body, namely boobs , butt and try to avoid getting caught."


You misunderstand... try this... guys are attracted to a females breasts... females are often attracted to a males muscells, sixpack but also signs of dominance such as expensive cares and positions of power ie being a rock star.

So saying girls use boobs to get a boyfriend and Ids sudjest guys get an electric guitar and work out.

its not sexsit its to help somone find love and form a realtipship with somone they like as more then a friend

so they dont miss out abd be all lonley and hurt.

quote Ugly is as ugly does mate and well your just ugly inside and out. Good luck with that sounds like you need it.

No that would be you... supporting relgiouns that stone girls to deth like in the video links above


I fight oppression and help kids with sed ed info to avoid pregancies and help them get boyfriends, fall in love and get all snuggly

inn regards to your reference to the americans who raped and murdered...

they would be a few criminals.

Think you need a brain fix not to see how shariah law with the entire jusidciary, police, and voters all wanting girls stoned to death for making out is not the same.

Ie 3 soldiers... or all 100,000 police, hundred judges and all those not trying to kill the executioners and rescue the girl... get it?

Carol...

when you let the islaimic community where burkas... forced arrnaged marriage ie mulitple rape and hnour killings soon follow. Plus sexaul apartitde when girls aint let out of the kitch and baby making

Also no face no identity

as for
Judging from the things you write, you think of women as sexual animals.

ACTUALLY ALL HUMANS ARE SEXAUL ANIMALS MEN AND WOMEN

GUYS LIKE BREASTS, GIRLS LIKE MUSCELS

So if telling a teenager how to get a boyrifned I waould say draw attention to your breasts so you male mate sees you as more then a blokey girl mate and a potential sexual partner.

Likewise you could tell a guy how to be seen as hot and sexy to a girl so no longer seen as gay brother material and a boyfriend so hes not lonley

Answer 1

This is your overgeneralization of what you assume to be true about Muslims. Its not about not getting judged....get more informed.

Also, learn how to spell and write a decent paragraph.

Answer 2

im not about to read your entire argument, but ...
If you believe a woman should be able to wear what she wants, then let her cover her body if she wants to!!

the quran states that a woman should cover her body, like her hair, her legs, her curves, so that she gains respect and averts the eyes of men. Dont talk about "self-restraint" for men because scientifically, a mans lust for a woman is twice that of a womans lust towars men. And just because you can control yourself, it doesnt mean every other guy could. ask your male friends.
Which one would you respect more, anyway? a modestly dressed woman, or a girl wearing hotpants and a low cut top with double d's popping out?
The "niqab" is nothing islamic at all. Not only is it unneccesary, It deprives a woman of her identity. because that "niqab" is a way for men to oppress women, you see it as a part of Saudi Arabian culture. Nowhere in the quran does it state to do this, so dont bring muslims into this.
Yes, we're called "muslims." where the hell did you come up with the word "islamist?"

Answer 3

Well, Pluto (good choice of a name, after a planet that's in the dark), I am practically at a loss for words after that illiterate tirade. I am not Muslim (Islamist, in your words), but if I knew you were in my country, I would be wearing the heaviest burka ever made! I was so stunned by your ignorance about this issue that I looked up a couple of other Questions you've fouled with your contributions, and I'm sincerely suprised that you haven't been blocked by this website. I wouldn't be surprised if you name is on one of those website that let the public know if sexual offenders live in their neighbourhoods.

Well, compliments aside, here's my view of hijab. The burka as a completely covering garment is not particularly part of Islamic teachings, it is a cultural expression like wearing blue jeans or sarongs. Islam does ask women to wear hijab, which simply means clothing that is not revealing. Depending on your ethnic culture, that will mean different things. It could mean a long dress or wearing slacks. It could mean wearing a head scarf or keeping long hair. It basically means that a woman should dress in a way so that her appearance is not a "come on" to men who see her. Judging from the things you write, you think of women as sexual animals. If a woman is wise, and respects herself as a special person created by God, she will not let herself become part of that fantasy game. She can look attractive and pretty, but not by showing parts of her body, or even the shape of her body which are her own business. A woman owns her own body, and modest dress and behavior is the sign to the world that she respects herself and demands respect. I have a Muslim friend who is an American married to an Iranian. She lived in Iran for several years, and said she came to appreciate the long covering they wear there. She liked being able to go around anonymously on the street and not be bothered by men. When I visited there, I saw an interesting sight. A young woman, maybe 18 or 19, was passing by, holding her long robe around her, under her chin (they don't cover the face). The wind was blowing strong and blew aside her robe. Underneath, she was dressed just like teenaged girls here - long-sleeved T shirt, jeans, and Nikes. Women and girls at home aren't covered in a sack, even in a fundamentalist country like Iran. Did you know that when Muslim women make the Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca), they do not veil their faces? Everyone making the Hajj has to dress in a sort of uniform, so that all people are alike, like one family. Just think how those Burka girls would feel if they and their families believed showing their faces was wrong?

Wearing a total covering may offend you, and I am sure that some women don't care for it, but why are you so fired up about it? What makes you so threatened? Judge women by their characters when you get to know them, not by how they look at first glance. And don't judge a religion by the fact that you can't ogle their women!

Answer 4

Actually all ppl are initially judged by their appearance. If you want people to recognize that you have money you wear designer lables, if you want ppl to recognize that you have a fit body you wear body revealing clothing, if you want people to recognize your long legs you wear a short skirt, the list could go on forever.
The point is that people dress in a way that allows them to be recognized for what they view as important. Some don't care at all about fashion, but even their appearance is a testament to that. What people can recognize in one another determines how people treat one another. If you are a prostitute you dress in a way that identifies you as such, and you welcome sexual advances because sexual behavior is most important to you as it is your job. If you are a doctor and in a hosp., you dress in a way that communicates to ppl that that is what you are.
If you are a Muslim woman who covers you WANT to be recognized as such by everyone who sees you. You dont want anyone to confuse with anything else because that identity is what is most important to you and will not be compromised.
The reality is that many people may not understand why Muslim women cover as they do, some even hate it, some think its comical. Whatever view one has you know that when you see this woman she is not someone who wants to play around, and be bothered with foolishness.
Your comments about what people see when they look at Muslim women are based on your own personal opinions. Its okay everyone has them. As long as you still treat Muslim women with the respect you would give any human being it doesnt matter whats in your head, right?

The word Islamists is not a real word, a person who follows Islam is called a Muslim.

Answer 5

Here's an interesting point. The Burka (as in full face covering) is not actually required by Islam. It predates Islam and is part of an older Arabic tradition.

Let people believe what they want to though. Forcing belief on others will only ever lead to bloodshed.

I respect your opinion, but I do disagree. Let people do whatever the hell they like. Not hurting you is it? We're all the same species.

Answer 6

If this is about Muslim dress for women and oppression of women in Islam then why post a link to a Hindu site? Don't you know that Hindus are NOT Muslims.

Are you uneducated, perhaps?

Answer 7

Its not to force anyone anything. For you to suggest Muslim women are not human then it only says something about you and nothing about them. Just a few decades ago all women dressed modestly, heck the swim suit and the mini skirt are only of the last century.
If you think clothes make for individuality and personality i take it you have never heard the saying "the clothes dont make the man"?
Women are far from being seen as property in Islam if that is your perception that is all it is YOUR perception NOT fact. I am neither faceless nor used for sex (that's a laugh, my town center on a Friday,Saturday night is full of "human girls" as you put it giving oral sex in the street, half naked and urinating openly, eating burgers and taking this weeks one night stand home. They are NOT used for sex though? Do i have that right?) nor do i lack a personality and yes i do bring up my children and have a career and a life outside my home.
I could not care less what an a-hole like you sees me as. Do you seriously think we are worried about ignorant, dirty prejudice like you? Well i have one word for you .............. NO.
Ugly is as ugly does mate and well your just ugly inside and out. Good luck with that sounds like you need it.

Intelligent, modest, daughter, wife, mother, sister, bursting with individuality and personality, Scottish Muslim woman.....How you like them apples?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Aly1xh0Uc_3AwtuINVxWKCjsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20071112103013AAvgnvz&show=7#profile-info-47ca3fab34949a0f21136480de64a15aaa

I think with your answer to above question you have your own teenage problems to worry about. Now come on little boy bed time and let the adults talk. LOL

PS less than 5% of 1.6 billion muslim women wear a face veil and those that do, do it by choice. There is nothing in Islam that states we are to cover our faces. Come on is it not time for your homework yet? Hannah Montana not on tonight?

Do you help them while staring at there boobs? I think that is pretty sexist your own words in responce to the linked question you answered above.

Quote - " Will also stare ie check out and be facinated with your body, namely boobs , butt and try to avoid getting caught."


Sorry i cant provide a link for you of american soldiers killing a family including there 3 year old child, raping there teenage daughter then pouring gasoline on her then setting her alight. And what do you call that? Or because she is a muslim girl she doesnt count?

Are we to blame all americans? Or just the ones who committed the act?
But its OK for you to hate all muslims for the acts of a few?

Grow up little boy. Rant all you want, provide all the links you want. But you dont know Islam at all. I know it i live it and have experienced zero of what you suggest is common place. And dont tell me i have nothing to compair it too i was not born into a muslim family, i was not raised a muslim, i lived 33 years of my life as a non muslim and i know exactly what non muslim life is about. So i am more than qualified to know exactly what is on both sides of the fence. I think you need to grow up a little and not believe all the propeganda and hype out there designed to make you hate and vilify us. Bush has done a very good job on you. Can you say Baa now little sheep? Baa Baa.............


CAROL B the smartest answer i have seen all day. I applaud you sister, go girl :)

Answer 8

breif question add some details.

have you tried wearing a burka (by the way you spelt that wrong) before you start telling us how we feel in one?

islamists?whereing? buka? next time sit with a dictionary mate.

bloody heck man!!! what the hell is a NJAB?!!!!!!!!
if you dont know the arabic word for it stop acting cool and just say veil!!!!!

Answer 9

I like ladies in jeans. It creates them look more home town like and it doesn't appear to be they are trying too hard but if you're trying to get this fellas attention, this may not be what you would like

Answer 10

I really do enjoy wearing long skirts occasionally. They are really actually convenient than Skinny jeans and not as hot to wear also.

Answer 11

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