I am fully aware that there are many religious people who are for abortion or feel that it is okay in some....

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circumstances. Then, there are some religous people who do not believe in abortion, no matter what.

My question is.....are there any people who do not believe in abortion, NO MATTER WHAT the circumstance is...who are not religion practicing individuals? If so, how do you explain your stance?

Personally, my faith as well as my own common sense, guided me in helping me form the stance that is not okay, no matter what. I am just wondering, what made you personally believe that it is not okay, even under circumstances such as rape, etc? I am curious to hear an arguement AGAINST abortion under any circumstance that doesn't involve religion, because I know that most of them do (which nothing is wrong with...I just wanna hear it from a different point of view).

Your responses will be most appreciated =)

I think my question sounded confusing judging by the responses I have gotten. I DO NOT SUPPORT ABORTION NO MATTER WHAT, AT ALL.

My justification and reasoning has to do with logic and my faith as well. I am looking to hear from somebody who feels the same way, but not due to religion at all. I would like to know why the feel the same way I do...if they do, that is.

I agree mg!

and to the others, though it is never an easy situation, by any means....

It comes down to, would I die for what God has made...or should I live to see die what God has made?

So far nobody has actually answered the ACTUAL question. Everybody has just used this question to tell me their opinions, yet, get on my case for also having an opinion..that may different than yours.

Actually, most rape victims do eventually recover from the horrible horrible acts of a rapist...yet, find it harder to overcome the abortion they had as a result of the rape. Also, some victims of rape found that giving life and nurturing it, helped them to overcome what the horrible rapist did to them.

I never said that is what you tell a rape victim so that they have their child. Talk about taking something out of context and victimization. I made that statement in response to something else somebody else said and if you do not believe me, go ahead and look up the studies done on rape victims and what it shows about their decisions to keep the child or not. You might be surprised. A rape is a HORRIBLE thing to go through, but actually, somebody on here just recently spoke about their ex who was the result of rape, who looked NOTHING like the mother..yet the mother found healing through giving life to this child. I am not saying that is what happens with all victims, but IT DOES HAPPEN and many studies actually confirm this.

"Women who abort children who were conceived by rape often say that it took longer to recover from the abortion than from the rape. In general, post-abortive women often experience depression, and they are six times as likely to commit suicide than women who gave birth."

D.M Fergusson, et al., “Abortion in Young Women and Subsequent Mental Health,” Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 47:1 (January 2006): 16–24; Mika Gissler, et al., “Suicides After Pregnancy in Finland, 1987–94: Register Linkage Study,” British Medical Journal 313 (December 1996): 1431–1434.

a different one

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/sep/06090702.html

http://www.afterabortion.info/news/Victims.html

http://www.cwfa.org/familyvoice/2001-01/14-20.asp

Next time, I will make an extra effort to watch my wording, although I honestly thought it was clear that I was not speaking on behalf of all of the rape victims.

This is my opinion, and will remain so. I never once tried to impose it on anybody. In fact, if you didn't agree with me, then the question really didn't pertain to you, with all due respect. Only a few people who answered, actually asked the question given. I have stated my opinion, and you have all stated yours, some more forcefully than others.
You have asked for some resources, and so, I have provided them.

One more thing: I know that if I had said abortion helps most women after rape, you wouldn't have been so quick jump on my personal opinion, trash it, and press me for resources or dog on my partially faith based opinion. I still wouldnt be able to speak for all of the rape victims out there, but my sources would not have been questioned.

It seems as though you must have a problem with some girls having experienced some healing through giving birth. I never once said that you tell a woman she will feel better if she does give birth. You took what I said wayyyyy out of context. If you actually care about a woman who has been raped though, you will let her know the pros and cons to both...and the studies I have provided clearly show some of the cons to abortion. That is what you asked for and that is what I provided. You are more than welcome to provide your evidence as to how abortion has been a beneficial thing to these victims. That, however, is not the evidence you asked for.

Answer 1

When a woman becomes pregnant, what is she pregnant with? Is a child the answer? Sure is. Does a pregnant woman say "I have some matter", -or-"I have a mass of protoplasm", -or- "some fertilized eggs" in me"? No. When she thinks she is pregnant, she is pregnant with one thing--- a human baby !! It isn't the child (or would be child, as those allowing for abortion might say) fault or own doing that put things into motion. The responsibility, fault (wrong word to use here) actions of the man and woman. The child is the one to suffer and be denied a full life through no fault of his/her own. Simple put-Abortion is wrong !!

Answer 2

While I have spiritual objections to abortion for any reason, those reasons apply to me alone and I would not presume to impose my religious beliefs on someone else. However, the foundation of my objection has nothing to do with my religion...thus, my point of view might address your question.

First, I would have to say that I make a distinction between a viable fetus and one that isn't viable. For example, a fetus can't develop to term in the fallopian tube and while most will abort naturally, some can grow enough to cause damage to the mother before that growth ends...I don't object to human interference in this situation. I also don't classify the "morning after pill" as wrong when it is used to stop a woman who had no choice in the matter from conceiving (e.g., used in cases of rape or incest). Otherwise, my position is "no matter what".

In most cases, having sex is a choice. When it isn't, the victim has the choice to report the crime and take advantage of various medical solutions for preventing additional victimization through unwanted pregnancy. Every person that decides to have sex does so knowing that it carries the chance of pregnancy. Even the crime victim knows that she is risking pregnancy if she chooses not to take the steps to prevent it.

I object to any solution to a problem that allows people to avoid the natural consequences of their choices...I especially object when the solution involves sacrificing another life to avoid those consequences! It doesn't matter when the fetus becomes "viable" or even when it reaches a certain level of development. It is alive and it is growing and, perhaps most importantly, it is human (genetically, it is human from the moment of conception but it isn't really alive until it starts growing and consuming fuel for energy).

Having an abortion is essentially saying that your life is more important than the life you created. I find that even more repulsive than the person who fails to train his or her dog and then puts it to sleep when they can't live with its behavior.

If people don't have to take responsibility for their decisions, they stop worrying about the consequences of those decisions when they're making them. When it comes to sex, I have little doubt that if abortion was illegal, far fewer people would choose to have sex...at least not without doing everything they could to prevent pregnancy (and that's certainly a lot more than women could do even 30 years ago!). As an added bonus, safer sexual practices would address a whole lot of other problems including the spread of AIDS!

Answer 3

Why would you say what you said about rape survivors benefiting from giving birth to babies conceived in violence? How could you know this? Did you "study" with Morganie? There is no way to study this statistic you've clearly pulled out of thin air. And no, I will not answer your question. As I believe that a woman must retain all rights to her reproductive capacity, I am not qualified to answer your question. But you cannot define the experience of a rape survivor. Rape survivors are individuals who respond differently to something awful that happens to them. To tell a rape survivor that she will feel better if she gives birth to a child conceived in rape is a dirty and dangerous lie. You could not know, and should not tell her how she should feel or react. This is not about you or your faith. It's a form of what's called revictimization. I have never been so offended by anything I have read on R/S. This statement that you have made is out of line, based on NOTHING, and sickening.

And those look like some really unbiased sutdies that you've posted. In case you missed it...I am being sarcastic.

Answer 4

There is no easy way to defend a position like this:

"Personally, my faith as well as my own common sense, guided me in helping me form the stance that is not okay, no matter what. "

So you think it's fine if a woman dies in childbirth, so long as she can carry a fetus to term?

I suppose the only non-religious argument to defend a "no abortion for any reason" stance would be pro-birth. The only other one I've heard would be conferring person hood and the rights that accompany it to am embryo. But are you really going to feel good holding a petri dish to an equal moral caliber as a woman with cognition and the ability to feel pain?

I'm not trying to dehumanize human life. I'm saying that both eggs and sperms are equally alive as a fertilized egg. Both are common in nature. So are pregnancies. A third of pregnancies spontaneously miscarriage. If you're going to ban the willful destruction of one, you have to ban the destruction of the other three.

I don't think anyone's religious views should be a government mandate when it comes to a gray area -- unless conservatives are equally prepared to shut down stem cell research and the medical benefits it may confer, or even male ejaculation, seeing as 14 million sperm "die" in the process. If there is no significant difference between a sperm, egg, and a newly fertilized egg, why are the pro-lifers trying to push their views into law? They're pro-birth and want other people to follow their religion of absolutes. It also helps if they can taunt people who failed to use contraception, for whatever reason. If you look on the pro-life postings long enough, you'll also see statements like "she should have closed her legs" or "sex outside of marriage is sinful" or "the murderers will face god." They aren't just arguing for a ban on abortion -- but a complete restructuring of society and the people outside of their religion.

They should have no right to control a woman's private medical choices in the first trimester. Faith is the last resort of an indefensible argument.

Answer 5

A question for you:

Why is it your stance that a rape victim should be forced to carry a rape baby to term?
Further, you say under no circumstances.......what about at risk pregnancies where the mother will die if the child is carried to term......it is still ok for the mom to die just to try to save the fetus??

I hope you are never raped and have to carry both the horrendous emotional and mental scars....as well as the fetus for 9 months......how horrible.....to have the child of your attacker growing inside of you for months.....that's terrible!!

Where are you getting your statistics about the feelings of rape victims. You say that 'most rape victims' get over their rape, but not over their decision to abort their rape fetus.....where are these statistics???

EDIT: Actually, When YOU make outlandish claims it is YOU who are to provide the evidence of such claims. YOU SAID "most rape victims" feel one way or another. That is a majority (more than 50%). Either you have evidence to back that up or you don't. It is not our responsibility to 'try to find' and research various studies when you have already made such a claim. Again, where is your evidence?

Answer 6

While I believe abortion should be legal in the first trimester, it is not based off of a religious judgment, but science and personal responsibility.

My biggest beef with the practice is that too many people use it as another form of birth control. Accidents happen I grant you, but the majority of unwanted pregnancies could be easily prevented by the use of birth control.

Answer 7

I may not qualify to answer this, being a practicing Catholic - but I wasn't always one - so here is my answer.

I have always thought that abortion was wrong. Well, since I was old enough to think anyway. It is a life, there is no other explanation for it. A man and a woman had sex, created it - it isn't going to turn into a tree, a cat, or anything else. It is a HUMAN, and that alone is enough to not kill it.

Answer 8

If you do not want abortions, don't have them.

I would only advise you to not make such pronouncements until you are in that particular situation when you will have to make a difficult decision. You never know how you will think until you are in that particular position.

In the meantime, I would additionally advise that you do nothing to hinder other women from doing what is legal.

Answer 9

I believe its never ok.. Ill explain. no matter the circumstance the kid should be put up for adoption if you don't want it. I believe god only has the authority to control life. Humans have no right in ending someone's life. You never kill someone because of a mistake you made.

Answer 10

Well I'm religious and i think that it is only right if the mother will die or most likely dies if she does give birth to the child