If Jesus was God and Vice Bersa - What about Deut 21:18-21?

Question

Is He really asking them to kill by stones - apart from being extremely painful it is utterly horrific - Why then when He came to earth as Christ does He changes His mind and tells us to love one another and hurt no one

Matt 18:10 - Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. '

Sorry QSC - I am not bery good with my V's and Bs - keep getting them mixed up. - I habe tried my vest, vut it is bery hard. please forgibe me -

All good answers apart formthe obvious ejjits, but I will ignore them. Even so if God could do so much powerful things, why not instill into the rebellious child and heart of love and understanding. He helped most leaders fight and 'win'. If you ge my meaning

Answer 1

Aside from the popular argument as to whether or not Jesus is God, or God is Jesus - of which I have a very strong biblical basis to go on, and of which there is not enough space here to write all the supportive verses, , , , I'll skip that and get to your question as I understand it, so as to not get off the subject matter.

I think what you're really asking is why would God and/or Jesus allow such a thing?

First of - you must understand some of the history of man's condition according to the Bible.

After Adam and Eve made their decision to sin against God's authority, and therefore become independant from God - similar to a teenager desiring independance from their parents regardless of the disasterous affect this will have on their lives - - - - - Adam and Eve in their new found independance were the beginnings of man making his own rules - and also man ruling man, , , , which in turn leads to a lot of trouble for man by his own hand.

Ecclesiastes 8: 9 "All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt."

Now God has allowed man rulership from the point of Adam and Eve establishing the freedom to self-rule which was of course passed down to all humans thereafter.
(Romans 5: 12 " Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:")

The Verse you mention in Deut. is part of what is commonly referred to as the "Law Of Moses", aka Moses' God given authority to lay down the law for God's people who were at that time only the Jews.

Therefore Deut 21: 18-21 is a fine example of man's independance from God's perfect rulership and law, and man ruling man as permissable by God due to the independence from God passed down by Adam.

See Romans 5: 14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Notice the last part of the above verse? him that was to come - refers to Jesus of course. Jesus was/is God's aid to man's situation thanks to Adam. Jesus therefore is referred to the LAST Adam - or in other words the Adam that won't fail.

See: 1st. Cor. 15: 22, and 45
[22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

So, in answer to your original question, God did not bring the seemingly impossible hardships, and laws upon man - man did that himself, and is still doing so today.

God has allowed man to prove his independance and ability to self rule, , ,which is proving to be quite a sad situation for all.

God's revision, and help? His Son Jesus, and a new convenant that re-states God's true law of love, and compassion.

Matthew 22: 36 - 40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Answer 2

If an occasion arose where a son became absolutely rebellious and incorrigible after repeated warnings and the necessary discipline, a still sterner measure was taken. The son was brought before the older men of the city, and after testimony from the parents that he was an irreformable offender, the delinquent suffered capital punishment by stoning. Such arrangement evidently had reference to a son beyond the age of what is usually considered a young child, for this one the Scriptures describe as “a glutton and a drunkard.” (De 21:18-21) One striking his father or mother, or calling down evil upon his parents, was put to death. The reason for such strong measures was that the nation might clear away what was bad from their midst and so that “all Israel [would] hear and indeed become afraid.” Therefore, any tendency in the nation toward juvenile delinquency or disrespect of parental authority would be greatly retarded by the punishment inflicted upon such offenders.

Answer 3

Deu 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Deu 21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
Deu 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
Deu 21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

This is ab out the story of a child who is stubborn and rebelious to his father and mother. It says that you put evil away so that you will not be tempted to stone the said child. This does not refer to Jesus Christ.. You should read the bible very well.
, and understand it OK?
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Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Jesus Christ came to earth to save but they Jews does not believe him so they crucified him which caused his death.

Answer 4

The book of Deuteronomy was a written set of rules for the Isrealites. These rules were meant to keep God's people from straying and following the pagan ways of the people's around them. They were a separate people, chosen of God, to follow Him and obey Him in every way. While many of these rules seem very harsh to us modern folks, it was meant to keep people walking on the straight and narrow, much as our modern day laws are supposed to do. God also knew that His people would stray and fall into sin, so He had a plan that would be available for everyone, not just Isreal. That plan was in Jesus, His own Son. The plan was all based on His love for His creation, so that's why the New Testament texts are all centered on love. You cited a verse in Matthew about not hurting the little ones...did you read the two verses before it? "Wherefore if your hand or your foot offends you, cut them off, and cast them from you: it is better for you to enter into life handicapped or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if your eye offends you, pull it out, and cast it from you: it is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire." These verses tell us that it's better to remove whatever is sinful from your life and be maimed, than to try to enter eternity with your sin intact. That's what the verses in Deuteronomy are all about. Removing what was sinful, even if it was your sinful offspring. Harsh, yes. I can only imagine that the crime rate, back then, was significantly lower than it is now, so until something better came along, that was the best way to deter sin. One last comment...James 4:17 says, "Therefore to him that knows to do good, and doesn't do it, to him it is sin". Sin is painful for everyone, including the one who knowingly does it. While stoning is a horrific way to die, just think on how horrific God looks on sin. It's easy to be horrified about the harshness of the punishment style of Biblical times. But God is a God of justice. Romans 11:33-34 says, "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out! For who has known the mind of the Lord? or who has been His counsellor?" So, while it's difficult to understand the harshness of God's laws, His ways are not our ways. <*)))><

Answer 5

Some parts of the "Bible" are hard to understand.Also there are too many versions of the Bible that give conflicting statements. Jesus IS God (not was).Forget about the Bible, and concentrate on what Jesus and Mary are saying to us NOW.

Answer 6

Vice Bersa?

Answer 7

The Old Testament or Old Will, which is really what it is, was replaced with a New Will (the New Testament) when Jesus came to earth. Therefore, the Old Will is null and void.

Answer 8

I'm not a particular fan of Jesus, given that I'm Jewish; that being said, I don't see how the verse applies to him.

Answer 9

Jesus was not god, or the messiah even, there is a list of very specific criteria that was laid out so we would recognize the messiah and Jesus (Yeshua) only met about 4 of them. Find a rabbi, they would be thrilled to tell you all about it.

Answer 10

Everybody must get stoned.