Both the Fetus and the New Born are totally dependent upon the mothers body. So why kill one & not the other?

Question

All these arguments about "It is the Mother's Body, Oh it is her body" seem pretty absurd when applied to the New Born. Yet when it comes to the unborn baby, many accept them as logical.

This type of schitzophrenic argumentation really can drive a person insane.

A child is dependent upon it's mother. Does that mean the woman has the power of life and death over it? Does the woman have the right to exercise the power of death?

LJ2000 - so you are logically saying tha the power to kill is transfered to the care giver?

How twisted are you?

Answer 1

NO.
It is dependant on the mother, but at the point of birth anyone can take care of the child....I never can understand the killing of the children, but we can stand up and say SAVE THE TREES!(??????!!!!)

Answer 2

Yes she does, even if she was careless enough to fall pregnant cause she couldn't use protection, And on the other hand if she wanted the baby but it was defected in a way it's quality of life was so poor it was tormenting, then she terminates because she does care & knows the child would have suffered immensley. There are so many answers to this question, & so many arguments to go along with it. Aultimately it is the womens choice to do what she wants, to her body. This practice has been exercised for centuries, & there's nothing you or anyone can do about it. It 's easy to not acknowlege what you can't see, hold, or hear cry, and therefore abortion comes easy, though I must say, majority of women do suffer emotionally after, they know what has happened & they do struggle with it, It messes with their hearts & minds.
I must also say that I'm for abortion, cause there is too many unwanted children in this world, with no-one to love them, no-one to take special care of them. Women have terminations for a reason. Please don't judge them badly.
Regards, Starlet..

Answer 3

Your argument is extremely flawed. Any human, not just the mother, can care for an infant. A fetus, on the other hand, can only live off of the natural mother.

No that is not what I said.
I am not suggesting killing babies. I do make a very strong distinction between potential life and a living breathing baby.
A fetus, whether you like it or not, acts as a parasite on the mother. The fetus takes what it needs without regard to the host "mother". A woman should be able to choose if she wants to allow this.

Answer 4

One alternative to abortion is adoption. Are you trying to say that adoption is impossible because the newborn wouldn't survive the separation from it's mother?
newborn can get raised by nurses or even father with milk formula or any suitable substitute.
How many woman do you think have died in childbirth over the ages and their children survived?

Do I detect envy, the wish to dominate women? The I am the boss syndrome (sorry, but I always wonder why the protesters outside a clinic which I think does perform abortions are 95% male. I rarely ever see a female there. Just makes me wonder why?) I am not for abortions just for the hell of it. But then I don't think most women do it for that reason.
How many children with down syndrome or pronounced fetal alcohol syndrome do you have personally adopted and care for? I actually know atheists who have done just that...If you haven't you are a hypocrite.

Answer 5

Since when is not having a religion a death sentence, and who says it's atheists having these abortions. The only people I know who did it are Christian. Why do you have to push everything you hate onto atheists when Christians are the largest group in society and therefore have the most instances of everything you disagree with. Yes, a woman does have the power of life and death over a fetus and abortion isn't against the law. Too bad ignorance, hatred and prejudice weren't causes for death sentences...you'd all fry.

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Answer 6

It is in fact not the same situation for a newborn as a foetus. A newborn can be fed and cared for by anyone - a foetus can't, unless it's viable and outside the uterus.

I am not a fan of abortion, but using inaccurate arguments doesn't help your case. Also, "illogical" is what you mean, or "inconsistent". "schizophrenic" is spelled wrongly, but it also doesn't mean "illogical".

Schizophrenia (from the Greek word σχιζοφρένεια, or schizophreneia, meaning "split mind") is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental disorder characterized by impairments in the perception or expression of reality and by significant social or occupational dysfunction.

If you mean "illogical" why not say so?

Answer 7

well actually, a fetus is in a "parasitic" relationship with the mother and is wholely dependant on the mother for survival. once a born, the baby can be fostered onto any "mother" (e.g. wet nurses)

consider the scenario where an ectopic pregnancy endangers the life of mother--does the fetus have a right to "exercise it's growth processeses" at the expense of the mother health/life?

Answer 8

Women do not have a right to kill their babies. If this insanity is not stopped soon then judgements from God will increase until this country is severely punished. We are being mismanaged and it is being protected by law. That is a good definition of insanity. The tragedy of abortion is that it keeps on killing. It kills the mother with emotional and spirtual death. It kills the soul of our nation. It kills our economy. It is family suicide. There is hope in Jesus. He is our judge. He can bring judicial reform. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!! WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL ME??????

Answer 9

That's funny. I know of a number of women who died during childbirth, yet their children survived. How can this be?

I know of a number of cases where the mother died prior to birth, and the baby was delivered c-section and survived. How can this be?

The difference, at least one such, is that after birth, OTHER PEOPLE can care for the baby. Prior to birth, ONLY the mother is able to do so.

Your argument fails. As Schizophrenia indicates a loss of contact with reality, I think your argument qualifies as such. Perhaps you might wish to do some reality testing of your own.

As to the inherent morality regarding the question of abortion, I personally think that in most cases it is wrong. I think it is more wrong though to try and make moral decisions about other people based on their position on this issue. I think it is wrong to impose the morals of a single group on an entire nation when it comes to this issue.

This is a personal decision arrived at with difficulty by many women. To judge them based on one's moral stance is simply wrong.

If you wish to reduce the rates of abortion, teach your children well. Do your flipping job as parents. Keep the lines of communication open with your children. Provide them with healthy alternatives, such as condoms and the pill. Don't assume that just because you've laid down the law that they'll remain abstinent. Support Planned Parenthood so that children WON'T NEED ABORTIONS in the first place! Don't be afraid about talking to your kids about sex.
DON'T TURN WOMEN INTO CRIMINALS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO YOUR JOBS WITH YOUR KIDS!

Answer 10

All the emotional and heart tugging arguments in the world will not overcome the word of God. The book of Job clearly states that to be taken from your mothers womb to the grave is to be as if you never were. While children are a gift from God according to His word, abortion is not murder. It is at worst, rejecting a gift from God.

Answer 11

A new born is not totally dependent on the mother's body. If the mother somehow died, the father could just as easily on his own still care for his child and bottle feed. What century do you live in.