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another church, especially a Christian church?

Does that sound like Christian love? WWJD?

(legal disclaimer: ex-JW family must have been baptized as a Jehovah's Witness before leaving to join another church. also, "must not associate" means not eating with or socializing)

2007-10-30 12:42:29 · 15 answers · asked by PediC 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

did I leave any wiggle room?

(another disclaimer: "families" mean currently proclaimed, baptized family members of said ex-JW family, as described above)

2007-10-30 12:45:55 · update #1

so even if everyone's Christian, you're still not allowed to socialize with your own family?!?!

wow!

2007-10-30 15:13:43 · update #2

so you're saying you're better Christians than than any other religion?

2007-10-30 15:17:17 · update #3

Pestie, God would tell the Christian who left the JWs that they're in a wonderful position with Him.. are you saying God doesn't approve of their worship?

2007-10-30 15:26:34 · update #4

leaving the JWs to join another church is considered "wrongdoing?"!!

I can't imagine God would think it's wrong to worship him in a Christian manner.

2007-10-30 15:30:09 · update #5

I think this doesn't have anything to do with God at all, but with your church rules.

2007-10-30 15:30:36 · update #6

15 answers

A very good question which I am sure you will be able to work out on your own by studying the bible. You appear to be intelligent enough.
I am a disfellowship JW and before I made a commitment to get baptized it was made perfectly clear the bibles view on those that turn away from gods words ,so no one who is disfellowshiped should complain about their treatment .
They also know they will be welcomed back with opened arms once they make the effort to bring themselves back to a favorable position with god.

If a person is a continuous fornicator who is not repentant would be welcomed by god if he was not prepared to try to change ?
What God to you worship ?
Not the god of the bible ,that is for sure.
Some scriptures to look up in case you want to get to know what the bible says instead of who ever and what ever your god is.
Sinners will not inherit the kingdom 1 Corinthians 6: 9 to 11
Straight forward I would imagine. Sound like your welcoming god ?
2 Peter 2:20 to 22 That's the bibles views of those who turn from god. In line with yours ?The all welcoming ?
1 Corinthians 5:11 This scripture can not be right yours is to welcome those people.
Mind you that's just my opinion.

Why am I wasting my time with those who do not wish to see ?

2007-10-30 13:01:46 · answer #1 · answered by pestie58 the spider hunter 6 · 7 5

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society does not want it's adherents to learn a different Gospel.

Most of the people that have "fell away" have learned that which is contrary to the teachings of Bethel. Anytime that a person that has been a part of Jehovah's Organization and leaves or even thinks contrary they have the spirit of apostasy.

It is better that they starve and feel alone and recognize their error than ultimately suffer from the second death and lead others into that also.

So there you have it.

2007-11-01 23:04:12 · answer #2 · answered by ander 4 · 2 1

Because the society is very well aware that when it's members continue to associate with disfellowshipped family members they too are likely to see the truth about the lies told and leave also. People are much more likely to listen to loved ones than they are to anyone else. It has nothing to do with Christian love but a lot to do with manipulation and power.

2007-11-01 13:49:17 · answer #3 · answered by the truth has set me free 4 · 2 1

When a man in Corinth was unrepentantly immoral, Paul told the congregation: “Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.” (1 Corinthians 5:11-13) The same was to occur with apostates, such as Hymenaeus: “As for a man that promotes a sect, reject him after a first and a second admonition; knowing that such a man has been turned out of the way and is sinning.” (Titus 3:10, 11; 1 Timothy 1:19, 20) Such shunning would be appropriate, too, for anyone who rejects the congregation: “They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out that it might be shown up that not all are of our sort.”—1 John 2:18, 19.

God’s Word commands Christians not to keep company or fellowship with a person who has been expelled from the congregation: “Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. . . . Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.” (1 Cor. 5:11, 13)

Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 18:17 also bear on the matter: “Let [the expelled one] be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector.” Jesus’ hearers well knew that the Jews of that day had no fraternization with Gentiles and that they shunned tax collectors as outcasts. Jesus was thus instructing his followers not to associate with expelled ones.

2007-10-30 19:54:11 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 4 3

6 for whom Jehovah loves he disciplines (Hebrews 6:12)
Paul said at 1 Corinthians 5:11, But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortiioner, no even eating with such a man.
Some questions, however, may arise about how we should treat a former member who has been expelled. Thankfully, God has provided in his Word answers and directions that we can be sure are perfect, righteous and just.—Jer. 17:10; Deut. 32:4.
At one point a man in the Corinthian congregation was practicing immorality and evidently was unrepentant. Paul wrote that this man ‘should be taken away from their midst,’ for he was like a little leaven that could ferment, or corrupt, a whole mass. (1 Cor. 5:1, 2, 6) But, was he, when once expelled, to be treated as if he were just an average person of the world whom the Christians might meet in their neighborhood or daily life? Note what Paul said.
“I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not meaning entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world.” (1 Cor. 5:9, 10) In these words Paul realistically acknowledged that most persons whom we contact in our daily affairs have never known or followed God’s way. They may be fornicators, extortioners or idolaters, so they are not persons whom Christians choose as regular, close associates. Still, we live on this planet among mankind and may have to be around such persons and speak to them on the job, at school, in the neighborhood.

One JUST doesn't get disfellowshiped for there wrong doing. If they are truly repentive and do not continue there wrong doing, they are not disfellowshiped.
If they are d/f they are not repentive of there worong doing and continue, d/f.
Also, remember, only the true God Jehovah is the reader of hearts.

2007-10-30 19:54:14 · answer #5 · answered by Just So 6 · 4 5

this is the ugly underbelly of the Jehovah's Witnesses that they do not want you talking about......

The truth is, that any Witness caught associating with a disfellowshipped one, can themselves be disfellowshipped for bad association.....

This practice is getting more and more common, because of the information availability...People can communicate via the Internet, now and have access to info.

Cults are shaky things, and Witness Theology is so convoluted, that it is easy to prove them false......

2007-11-02 10:37:16 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Because they are under wrong doctrine in the first place ,second of all they do not have the Love of God shed abroad in their heart and they have beocme respecter of persons which is none of God,Jesus is our example and they and he never stopped associating with anyone.

2007-10-31 11:53:24 · answer #7 · answered by God Child 4 · 2 3

The asker knows very well why JWs do that. It is a biblical command.

Someone already asked this question- here is the answer;

"What is the fitting response of the congregation if someone leaves the true Christian faith and joins another religion?

Such a thing sometimes occurred in the first century. Thus it is understandable that it happens on occasion today. When it does, the congregation appropriately responds to protect the spiritual cleanness of the loyal Christians in it.

One dictionary defines apostasy as “renunciation of one’s religion, principles, political party, etc.” Another says: “Apostasy . . . 1 : renunciation of a religious faith 2 : abandonment of a previous loyalty.” Accordingly, Judas Iscariot was guilty of a form of apostasy when he abandoned the worship of Jehovah God by betraying Jesus. Later, others became apostates by deserting the true faith even while the apostle John and other early disciples were alive. John wrote: “They went out from among us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us.”—1 John 2:19.

What is to be done when a similar thing happens today? The elders, or shepherds, of the congregation might learn of a baptized Christian who has ceased associating with Jehovah’s people and who has apparently become associated with another religion. In harmony with Jesus’ words about being concerned about any stray sheep, the spiritual shepherds should be interested in helping such a person. (Matthew 18:12-14; compare 1 John 5:16.) But what if the shepherds designated to look into the matter determine that the person no longer wants to have anything to do with Jehovah’s people and is determined to remain in a false religion?

They would then simply announce to the congregation that such one has disassociated himself and thus is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Such a person would have ‘abandoned his previous loyalty,’ but it is not necessary for any formal disfellowshipping action to be taken. Why? Because he has already disassociated himself from the congregation. Likely he is not trying to maintain contact with his former brothers so as to persuade them to follow him. For their part, the loyal brothers are not seeking fellowship with him, since ‘he went out from them, for he was not of their sort.’ (1 John 2:19) Such a disassociated person who ‘has gone out from us’ might begin to send letters or literature promoting false religion or apostasy. That would underscore that the individual definitely ‘is not of our sort.’

The Scriptures warn, though, that some would try to remain among God’s people and there attempt to mislead others. The apostle Paul advised: “From among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.” (Acts 20:30) He pointedly warned Christians ‘to keep their eye on those who cause divisions and occasions for stumbling contrary to the teaching that they had learned, and avoid them.’—Romans 16:17, 18.

So if someone became a false teacher among true Christians, as did Hymenaeus and Philetus in Paul’s day, the shepherds of the flock would have to take protective steps. If the person rejected their loving admonition and continued to promote a sect, a committee of elders could disfellowship, or expel, such one for apostasy. (2 Timothy 2:17; Titus 3:10, 11) The individual brothers and sisters in the congregation would follow Paul’s direction to “avoid” the one who tried to “cause divisions.” John counseled similarly: “If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him.”—2 John 10."

2007-10-30 19:49:55 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 5 4

They consider all other religions but their own to be false religion. Kind of like following the devil. After a person has been baptized a JW, if they go to another religion/denomination it's like turning their back on the "true" religion, so they disfellowship them (kind of like an excommunication in the Catholic church).

2007-10-30 19:47:34 · answer #9 · answered by Kiwi 5 · 10 5

They are not allowed to associate with non-members because their way of thinking is extremely restrictive. Their doctrines are cemented into their minds. In other words, it's a form of mind control that's extremely difficult to break down. In order to be a normal, fully functional human being, you must exercise your critical thinking skills. Not to do so is ungodly in itself. Even the bible tells us that we must 'prove all things'. And that means proving the very doctrines that we are being told to believe without question. If you view your belief system through a narrow slit in the curtain, so to speak, you can not get a proper view of what's really going on in the world around you.

2007-10-30 20:05:27 · answer #10 · answered by Emerald Book Reviews 6 · 6 6

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