It happened to 3 kids in my (ex) karate club. These 3 kids were given the all-clear to go ahead with their next grading, but on the day of the grading they were failed by the chief instructor because of 'attitude' in general training sessions.
I think he was out of line doing that to kids.
2007-10-30 12:13:11 · 11 answers · asked by Mushin 6 in Sports ➔ Martial Arts
The kids I was referring to are 10 and 11 years old.
2007-10-31 04:19:59 · update #1
Hi there
No this was a little unfair. All instructors have the responsibility to only put students forward for gradings when they think they are ready. Both myself and my wife would never recommend anyone for a grading if we thought they weren't capable of passing. My wife at the moment has a student who doesn't listen in class so as a result he never grades. If he has taken your money knowing full well that he was going to fail your children then for me that shows bad character on his behalf. It makes him a hypocrite. Wheres the Budo in that? What he should have done was discussed this matter first with you and explained it to your children. Don't worry not all instructors behave in this way. There are some honest ones that teach without the politics.
The best instructors understand the balance between budo, work and family life.
Good to have you back by the way. :-)
Best wishes
idai
2007-10-30 13:21:42 · answer #1 · answered by idai 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
That sounds a little strange to me. If I have a problem with a student's attitude I deal with it way before testing and sit down with that student and tell them what I am unhappy with, what they may need to do or not do or a way to help fix it, and if they don't list some possible cosequences. To just fail them like that gives them no opportunity to fix or change their attitude or behavior. Now if some kind of conversation like that has already taken place and they don't -then you generally don't test them. It sounds like there is either some kind of a disconnect there between the instructor and the chief instructor and students or maybe the chief instructor is just not a very good person, coach, or not on the scene but a good martial artist. If I was him I would have told them that they did well enough to pass, but I was not expecting them to test and since they did I would pass them but expected a change in their attitude or they would be demoted and that they would not test again until there was some improvement or change. I would then turn around and make sure that instructor had a list of students to me in advance for me to approve for testing as well. To just blindside students like that because of a lack of communication or lack of follow up and making sure the instructor knew that he was unhappy with these three particular students and not give the instructor or the students the opportunity to fix it or improve is pretty hap-hazzard at best. Then to pull this at testing really shows poor communication and people skills.
2007-10-30 22:28:42 · answer #2 · answered by samuraiwarrior_98 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
This was bang out of order if it happened they way you described.
However, if the Chief instructor only witnessed this behaviour just prior to the grading itself then I would have to support it. In our organisation the training just before the grading is actually part of it. The Chief Instructor very often takes mental notes of who he should concentrate on come the grading itself.
If I was their class instructor and I thought that their behaviour was showing a lack of respect to our Chief Instructor I would have pulled them out before the grading.
2007-10-31 09:31:42 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
I would not do it this way, if the kids had a bad attitude i wouldn't let them go to the grading, maby the guy is on to something though, let us know if it works and if the kids change their attitude or not, personaly I would think the guy was an asshole for doing that and never train with them again
2007-10-30 19:46:22 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Edmund is somewhere right, yet it also depends of the ages of those "kids" !! and Edmund is only somewhere right !! not everywhere.
On a karaté point of view that is ok
on a human point of view ... doubtfull !!! depends what age they have.
I was a type of genius in my martial art class. (years later i became national champion) I presumed a lot of my person and my abilities ... he made me the same !!! but i was 18 and able to understand. If this is the case, maybe they did the same ! maybe they are too young ... you know the situation.
PS besides kids can be monsters sometimes !
2007-10-30 19:23:48 · answer #5 · answered by tomcat 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
considering the age of the children then it is a factor in being accepted to grade . if there attitude was,nt accetible then why allow them to be put forward for grading in the first place. superficially this does sound a little strange.
2007-10-31 14:02:50 · answer #6 · answered by TERRY H 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
No. A big part of martial arts is dicipline and respect. If people don't learn that at a young age it's very difficult for them to learn later in life.
2007-10-30 19:35:18 · answer #7 · answered by Mijnn 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
that depends on what he meant by their attitude i guess but yeah that sounds a little harsh to me..building the kids hopes up. Unfair.
2007-10-30 19:16:48 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
No Karate is all about discipline.
Do something else with your time if you want to behaave like kids.
It's not supposed to be fun or a game.
2007-10-30 19:17:47 · answer #9 · answered by Edmund 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Sounds pretty tough to me - think the chief is forgetting what it is like to be that grade and so inexperienced.
Nice to see you back again
2007-10-30 19:38:02 · answer #10 · answered by northcarrlight 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋