Gay Christians?

Question

I am just kind of curious how these two words fit together. I know all Christians sin. So please don't give that as your answer. But how can people who say they are a Christian say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality or that it is not a sin? The Bible clearly says that homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. So how do you get around this?

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that unjust ones will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be led astray, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals,

Jon M - that is not what the verse says.

monte54que - Jesus never taught tolerance of sin. When they brought the woman before him to be stoned for adultery what did He do? He did not condemn her but did He say go home and sin all you want? No He said go and sin no more.

Peter Priesthood - Actually that is a literal translation from the original language. Word for word translation with no extraneous interpretation added.

Daddy Disney - For some reason some people cannot see the difference between judging and just telling what God's word says. I am not saying they will not go to Heaven. God said it. He is the one judging. Not me. There is a difference.

chemcook - Yes God can forgive homosexuality. But only if you are truly repentant. Let me ask you if a gay person repents with absolutely no intention of stopping the sin, are the truly repentant? While only God knows I would suggest they are not.

Bob L - Everyone sins. I already said that. I know I sin. I try my best not to though. When I do I repent and do my best not to do it again. A person unashamedly living a homosexual lifestyle is not turning from sin.

Jackson - Yes God loves everyone but He wills till punish us for our sin if we do not repent and turn from it.

words for the birds - I am not condemning them. I am just pointing out a false doctrine that seems to be getting taught a lot today.

centexdance - you mention verse 11. Part of it says "And such were some of you:" Note the past tense that is used. Once saved you are not supposed to continue in those sins. They are supposed to be in the past.

centexdance - had to eat dinner or I would have replied sooner. I think you should stop being gay. I know you hear it a lot and probably don't believe it. But I do not hate you. I want to see you in Heaven. I just think that many churches have caved into the world and quit preaching the Word if it is not politically correct. I think the deceive people into thinking they are ok when they are not. And you are correct about people falling back into these sins. But there is a difference between stumbling and sinning and sinning and not even caring that you are sinning. We all sin however we are not supposed to stay in sin.

Tom - I really liked your answer and had not thought of it quite that way before. And yes I agree.

Answer 1

I am (not being able to find a better word to describe it) a "formerly gay", or "ex-gay" Christian, and I do agree with you concerning not only the incompatibility of these two terms, but also your Biblical interpretation of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. And just as you admit to struggle with sin, and succumb at times, but are eventually, if not readily, willing and able to repent and to get beyond the particular sin issue in question in your life, I do too. It is why I can say today that I am no longer gay, even though I do struggle with same sex attractions once in a while.

I liken this to those who sexually-identified as straight, then become a Christian. Are they still straight? I think not, in the very sense that we are not be identified by labels involving our old lives. They are now to be reckoned as "dead", so why would I want to give life to a label that really no longer even describes me? Would you still call a Christian man who's been happily married for 20 years straight? To me, to call him this is to imply that although he has been hopefully faithful to his wife all those years, he must still be identified with desires for other women, other than his wife? That just doesn't make any good common spiritual sense to me. In the same way, since I am committed to the Lord in my celibacy, for the last umteen years, how could it be correct to say that I'm a "gay" Christian? The Bible makes it clear that we are not only to identify ourselves by whom and with whom we associate ourselves, but also by our personal conduct in life,both private and public, and not some lame sexual desire that has its roots in the Adamic fallen nature!

Wouldn't you agree, my brother? I certainly hope so.

Answer 2

I am a Christian gay, not a Gay christian.

You have taken one small bit of scritpure from it's context so it can not properly be interpreted.
Continue on through 11, and you will clearly see that the main intent of this verse was part of an actual complete thought process.

1 Cor 6:9 - 11
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Your version of the Bible says "homosexuals", mine happens to say "homosexual offenders", but, for argument's sake, I will just assume both to mean the same thing.

What follows the verse you pointed out is obviously to make the point that, no matter how far from grace you fall, God does, indeed still sanctify those you listed.

If it wasn't for that sanctification, no one would be able to reach the kingdom of God.

By the way, the answer "all Christians sin", is a valid answer to your question. If you go down the list of what is spoken of in V9 and v10 here, 100% of the worlds population will fit into one or more of those catagories.

This statement was to prove just that one point.

You will also do yourself well to read further vs 12 to the end of the chapter, because there is a lot of information there that continues to back up my above statements.


EDIT::::::
Since you are reading and commenting. Yes, you are right, it does use the past tense. But, being a Christian, still does not mean that you don't fall into these catagories. Many Christians gossip, as a matter of fact, it's rampant in church circles, and I guarantee you don't see many people repenting of that one. Is the Kingdom of God lost on them as well?

I submit that nothing and no one are worthy of the kingdom of God, until God says so.

This bit of scripture does not say that they repented, it says that God sanctified them, washed them, and renamed them.

This is why I say, I am a Christian gay, not a Gay christian. Being gay is secondary to who I am, it's one small portion of my "label". God is in my everyday conversation more often than my sexuality.

I'm just trying to understand your point though, are you saying that we should stop being gay, or that we should stop being Christians? It's these blatantly bigotted interpretations of the God's word that turns people away from the church.

Answer 3

The two words cannot go together, not for long anyway.

God's tells us to turn from sin once we become born again in Him. This does not mean we are perfect, or that we will never sin again, but it DOES mean we will turn from sin.

Now, what does turn from sin mean? It means that we will strive to be Godly, and to live in God's will. This does not mean that we instantly turn from the deep sins in our life, but I can tell you, some of the sin I regularly committed, did change almost immediately, like what I read, listened to, and things like that. Other sin I still fight, like being unsubmissive to my husband, and being wilful.

That being said, if a gay person truly has accepted the Lord, He will work in the persons heart and with God's strength, and the Holy Spirit, the person will forsake that sin and make the choice to be heterosexual, and not partake in sex at all outside of marriage.

Will it be easy, no. But Jesus did not promise us an easy life, but He did promise us eternity in Heaven.

Answer 4

It seems to me the same argument can be made from many perspectives. Sin is justified in a lot of areas including homosexuality. I bet you'd be hard pressed to find an active homosexual being led by the spirit of God. If so, there would be a very large change of lifestyle. But then again, the same exists for what we normally would consider "little" sins.

Change only comes by being filled with the Spirit of God.
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Answer 5

Doesn't God forgive all sins? Or do you get to decide that for God? How many times can you kill and still get into heaven?

God will decide whether someone is truly repentant, not YOU! I am certain that you have some sin that you repeat over and over again. You are punishing someone else's sins for your own secret shame. I believe that God will forgive you for your secret masturbation shame and the shame you and your girlfriend have for backsliding every time you have sex. You are just taking it out on an easy target. Thankfully God is more merciful than you are.

Answer 6

"But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:17

We cannot claim to be Christians and continue to live as we want to.We that are Christ are to crucify the flesh.When someone is crucified their hands and feet are bond or nailed to a cross.Their body become in total subjection to the cross. When we are crucified with Christ we are in subjection to Christ.

Answer 7

Yes, Jesus taught of love ...but NOT tolerance of sin. And homosexuality is a sin just as much as beastiliaty. Marriage is one man and one women (that's in Corinthians), Paul clearly taught that in the scriptures. If you die a homosexual and have not repented for your homosexuality you will go to hell. It hurts, but it's the truth.

Answer 8

Homosexuals have a very challenging road to walk to obey God. We should support them and pray for them, not condemn them. I have plenty of my own sins to fight against, so I will NEVER be qualified to cast the first stone.

Answer 9

I don't get it. I never could. Now, either I'm stupid or my socks smell bad... But, I never could get it how can anybody claim to believe in the God of the Bible and yet reject the very Bible that teaches us about God!

You know what Jesus teaches, gays? He teaches: "Either submit to me and my loving will for your lives and get rid of your sin - or go and believe in some other (false) god. But you cannot be my disciples and be gays!!!"

Don't claim biblical Jesus, cause He is against gayism in His church! Yes, He loves all sinners and died for them, but he died so they can live in righteousness - not in adultery and homosexuality! Not in sin! Read Romans 6! Read the Bible! It's the mind of Christ. You may believe in some kind of gay-messiah (with little "m") that will save you from stupid and narrow-minded Christians and their CHRIST - but don't call him JESUS CHRIST!!! Don't call Him God of the Bible!!!

Answer 10

"If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation; old things are passed away, behold all things are new." 2 Cor. 5:17

One who was gay may still enter into the kingdom heaven.
All sin is an abomination unto God.
Let us all know when you stop sinning by writing a "How To" book on the subject. Your pride will get you every time.