Creationism?

Question

I have seen some christians say on here that science backs up the theory of creationism because they say they bing bang couldn't have happen't without a force behind it, They say that god was this force. If nothing can be made from nothing, and nothing can happen on it's own, Who made god and what did they make him out of.

there are some christians who say that god caused the bing bang what do THEY think.

you can't say he has always existed that contradicts your argument.

You're not really getting it. There are some people who say that something must cause EVERYTHING. They can't say the big bang couldn't have happened without a god. So how can a god come into being without something causing it.

Answer 1

creationists will spin any old yarn to back up their claims, but this one doesn't make sense, for if they say the Big bang was caused by God, does this not fit in with evolution as creation, and if this is the idea then why does the bible state that the world is between 6000-8000 yrs old? it wouldn't make sense

to me the only logical answer for deity would be that of the first cause, but then you would have to believe that he left the universe to evolve on its own. this is the only theory that I think a believer in God could apply without sounding insane

Answer 2

Actually there is a theory about the big bang that wraps things up nicely. The problem is that few people actually learn anything about it beyond skimming the surface in high school.

You'll see some people toss out a series of statistics about events occurring after the expansion leading to a stable universe and the supposed low statistical likelihood of these all occurring. However this presumes that the universe reached stability on the first expansion. And that's a pretty big presumption.

How about this? We agree with the low statistical likelihood. What is the most likely answer to this and what caused the expansion to begin?

A series of failed expansions the collapse of which immediately causing the next expansion. Although for the sake of the physics and math behind it 'immediately' has no meaning.

And the beauty is that the less likely stability is the more likely this explanation becomes. One could easily imagine a number of expansions that would make quintillions seem like just a good start..

Also the big bang naysayers or usually creationists can only speak as to the statistical likelihood of these events since dismissing them invalidates their original argument that some 'being' intervened.

But that is also the weakness in their argument. If we allow that stability is statistically low on the first expansion the likelihood increases with each subsequent expansion and therefore even by the creationist argument the universe would absolutely have come to stability after enough false starts with no intervention at all.
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"I know it is difficult to comprehend and understand as a non-believer, but God is not a physical being, but a spiritual entity."

Actually 'BrilliantPomegranate" It's far from the most fantastic idea humans have created. I can easily comprehend it and come up with more plausible arguments in favor of god's existence than any I've heard from any Christian. However it's belief and dogma with little or no science. I don't say that with any criticism. People are free to believe whatever they like. However they can't be surprised when others expect evidence when some claim their belief to be science.

Answer 3

The crux of the matter is how could God exist with no cause? That is what the question really is, so why bring creationism into it and obscure the issue?

The bible, which is our only source on this issue, makes no statement about it. It starts with the story of Creation so God clearly already exists. Therefore it is a total assumption that God had no cause. For all we know He was created by His God.

All that can be said is that He has no known cause, just as applies to the Big Bang. Now is is better to have one thing without known cause and go for God caused the BB? Or go for another view that God was the Big Bang? It is all pointless because knowing the answer would not change anything.

Answer 4

They didn't, the big bang happened and the universe was created, we are in the universe and can only speculate as to what is out side the universe, where the big bang happened, think of it like a bubble, the atoms inside the bubble can't see beyond the walls of the bubble and therefore don't know how the force creating the bubble began, these once unified bubbles then fragment into sects and cults believing in voodoo, and that some omnipitant power with a plan created them when really it was just some soapy water and some air, possibly from a person or a bubble machine!!!!

Answer 5

In a way, this question of God's being created was worked out by philosophers who pre-date Jesus himself. The solution they decided on was called "Prime Mover." If everything was made by something, and everything set into motion by something, then that Something is the Prime Mover, and i call that God. He is eternal, not just in the future but also eternal in the past. That's a difficult concept to wrap our human minds around.

A similar question took place, more recently, about what material God used to make all things since there was nothing but God prior to creation. (Out of nothing, or did he use a piece of himself?) I see no point in debating the question, because God won't be siding with whoever wins the argument. Are Atheist currently trying to form a hypothesis about how the Big Bang created stuff? Or does that seem equally pointless?

Answer 6

god is self created he has no creator, our tiny minds in our tiny universe, is like a drop of rain in an ocean the size of infinity, your mind is limited to the material physics yet bears no resemblance to the material physics it percieves, do you understand the word illusion, you exist in the grace of god, yet doubt his word, and also doubt his messengers, maybe you should take a reality check and have another look, the options are varied but there is only one truth, if you seek you find, you dont need to do more than take a look around yourself and at what you love, you didnt create that nor did it create itself so therefore it must have been created by a more superior being than ourselves, if that is the case then that must be god. wether the big bang is acceptable theory is based on the evidence, if the evidence is there, then it cannot be contradictory to gods will, therefore god must have willed it and so we exist, science is nothing to do with christianity. science is fact according to the evidence of knowledge, based on the evidence of knowledge, god must therefore exist for the bigbang to have happened, our perception of nothing is not what it seems, to bring creation into being, you add to some thing that is already there, to bring it to the realm that we exist in, namely the material world, it isnt created from nothing it is created from what was already in existence, i.e. not of this universe, but in the grace of god, you are part of the story of humanity and even your question gives rise to the one god, you doubt because you cant find the answer you seek which in itself is the answer, read, digest, relax, and accept the truth god does exist.

Answer 7

Let me explain a little from a Jewish/Kabbalistic ideology.

The first verse of Genesis in Hebrew states:

Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim v'et haeretz.

Now let me translate it for you:

Bereshit [In beginnings] bara [craeted] Elohim [God] et hashamayim [heavens] v'et haeretz [the earth].

Putting it together according to is grammatical emphasis not included above the verse would translate into English something like this:

In a series of beginnings (an unspecified sequence of time) created God (according to the grammar God is the subject of creation indicating that God was created) the heavens and the earth (the spiritual and physical planes of existence appeared as a result of the emergence of God).

The problem with Christians and others is that they don't know Hebrew and cannot read the authentic Bible and therefore have no idea as to what it is actually saying. The account of creation is far different than what most imagine as I have briefly demonstrated in this one verse.

To learn more you can visit my forum at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kabbalah_institute/

Answer 8

Science does not back Creationism (I wont even give it a status of theory as it is based on a very poor myth). If one states that there has to be a beginning then why add an unnecessary level of complication - use Occam's razer, cut god out of the equation. You know it makes such commonsense.

It is so true we do not know all however why invent god as an answer when he/she don't exist.

Answer 9

Christians or no Christians, something caused the Big Bang to happen, and that something is, for all intensive purposes, "God".

It doesn't necessarily have to be their fairytale deity. It could be some entity that floats in the void and craps out matter for all we know.

But yes, somewhere along the line, something had to cause the universe to exist.

Answer 10

Yeah, the Bing Bang.