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A few years ago I talked to some Mormons, and they don't believe in the trinity. They showed some scripture in the Bible that looked convincing that they were 3 separate entities. Can you please provide scripture that proves the trinity? Thank you.

2007-10-30 05:39:26 · 22 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Nowhere. The trinity includes the following definite ideas:

1. There are said to be three divine persons—the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit—in the Godhead.

2. Each of these separate persons is said to be eternal, none coming before or after the other in time.

3. Each is said to be almighty, with none greater or lesser than the other.

4. Each is said to be omniscient, knowing all things.

5. Each is said to be true God.

6. However, it is said that there are not three Gods but only one God.

I invite you to search the Bible, especially the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, to see for yourself if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself:

1. Can I find any scripture that mentions “Trinity”?

2. Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God?

3. Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom?

Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity, nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a “duality.” Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.

Primoa19 is wrong. “In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost is. And these three are one” do not appear in the oldest Greek manuscripts. Hence the most modern Bible translations omit those words.

Realchurchhistorian and Mike M below are also wrong. NOT ONE of the verses they use to defend the trinity says anything about a 3-in-one god who is also co-equal and co-eternal. The trinity is a doctrine based on the Catholic Athanasian Creed, NOT on the Bible.

The Encyclopedia of Religion says: "Theologians agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the Trinity."

The New Encyclopedia Britannica reports: "Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament."

The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology confirms: "The New Testament does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity."

The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the Trinity "is not. . . directly and immediately the word of God."

The trinity doctrine continues to blind the minds of millions of people.

2007-10-30 05:46:40 · answer #1 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 3 5

The Trinity is a construct based partly on the Gospel of John, Chapter 1, about "the Word (Logos)". "...And the Word was with God, and the Word was God, ... (and) in the beginning with God... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us". This is a mystical reference to Jesus Christ that has been interpreted by the Christian Church as meaning that he was part of God, and is now believed to be the second Person of God. The first Person is God the Father. They also refer to the story of Christ’s baptism when a dove appears above Jesus’ head, and a voice is heard saying “This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17 and Luke 3:22). There are many references to the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, and again this has been interpreted by the Christian Church as the third Person. Some theologians have tried to square the circle by explaining that the Son issues from the Father, from eternity, and the love between the Father and Son is itself a Person, the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of the Trinity was adopted generally in the Council of Nicaea in 325CE. It's tempting to think that it's influenced by other pagan beliefs. Theologians try to make it sound technical by referring to the Triune God - One God, with 3 Persons. A book on Theology I’ve got sometimes takes a more recent concept or construct and reads it back into earlier scriptures. So they might then interpret earlier scriptures as referring to newer doctrines that the author never intended. So in Genesis 1, when it refers to God saying "Let us ...", they then re-interpret that as the Trinity talking to itself; the author had probably envisaged the Canaanite pantheon (Elohim, sons of the Most High God El Elyon).

2016-05-26 02:30:23 · answer #2 · answered by latrice 3 · 0 0

There is only ONE person of the godhead. Col. 2:9-10
As Rom. 1:20 explains the godhead can be understood by the things God created: ie., water: liquid (Father) , solid/ice (Son), gas (Spirit), yet the same pitcher of water (same Spirit of God).

It is written my word will not return to me void but will accomplish that which it was sent to do. Isaiah 55:11

Jesus, the word, or promise of God, became flesh, and accomplished the reconciliation of mankind, and returned to the Father from whence he came. John 20:17 So how are they one?

After the resurrection, God said, it pleased Him that all the fullness of God dwell in the body of Jesus Christ. Col. 1:19. So, having the Son, you have the Father. 1 John 2:23. We are complete in Jesus Christ. Col. 2:10 It is the Spirit of God of Christ. John 20:22; Rom. 8:9 (used interchangeably); Acts 20:28...
If you would like to learn more of this doctrine, the Apostle's doctrine (Acts 2:42), email at: ReadnObeyActs2n38@yahoo.com

2016-02-02 09:51:32 · answer #3 · answered by L 1 · 0 0

God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one God, but the Father Son and Spirit aren't the same. If you want to see him at work as trinity you don't need to go further than the first couple of verses in the bible and in John's gospel which go something like this:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, and the spirit hovered over the waters." Genesis 1:1-2

and "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:1-3

John goes on to say that the "Word" became flesh: Jesus, God's revealed communication to us, the second person of the trinity.

So theres the three "persons" of the Trinity, all involved in creation but all one God. This one God (I think the Mormons are pretty much polytheists who think you can become a god yourself, but when they came round to mine they basically "agreed" with everything I said and tailored everything they said to try and sound sanitable to me: decietful!). But anyway the one true God who has revealed himself in his word the Bible and in his Word Jesus created us in his image- male and female and yet one. Just as a husband and wife become one when they're joined together in "holy matrimony" (which is God's gift to us), God is one.

Sorry bout that waffley answer,quite confusing I guess. We say God is love- and he is: he expresses that love within himself- but ultimately in what he went through when he satisfied his wrath towards us on the cross.

2007-10-30 05:56:47 · answer #4 · answered by trebor88 3 · 0 0

The three members of the godhead - God the father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are all God. Think of God as not only describing them all but a family name. All are individuals but are in total agreement about all things. John 17:21 says "I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. This verse says that Christians should be as one as the God Head is one.

2015-11-11 13:47:50 · answer #5 · answered by David Loftin 1 · 0 0

So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, THREE men were standing by him; and when he saw THEM, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, “MY LORD, if I have now found favor in YOUR sight, do not pass on by Your servant. Gen. 18:2-3

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the WORD, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are ONE. 1 Jn. 5:7

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

I and My Father are ONE. John 10:30

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory. 1 Tim. 3:16

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Ex. 3:14

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58

BTW, mormons believe that Jesus was the brother of the devil...that would mean that Jesus was an angel. JW's say Jesus was Michael the archangel. Both are heresy!

For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“ You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“ I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”? Heb. 1:5

Mosies said 1 Jn. 5:7 is false. If God authored ALL Scripture according to 2 Tim. 3:16-17 and God can't lie (Titus 1:2) is Mosies calling God a liar...Isn't he the one lying? You can't pick and choose mo, you either accept all of it or none of it.

2007-10-31 11:55:29 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Jesus was baptized at the age of 30 by being immersed in water. When he came up out of the water, a voice from heaven said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” (Matthew 3:17) That voice was God’s voice. On another occasion, in prayer to God, Jesus said: “Father, glorify your name.” And when Jesus had said that, God’s “voice came out of heaven: ‘I both glorified it and will glorify it again.’”—John 12:28.
From these accounts, even a child can understand that the relationship between almighty God and Jesus Christ was that of a father and his beloved son, two different individuals. Yet, this simple Bible truth is denied by the religions of Christendom. They insist that Jesus Christ is God Almighty himself, the second person of a Trinity, the third person being the holy spirit.

2007-10-30 06:13:08 · answer #7 · answered by spreader 2 · 1 0

Well if you look at the book of Mormon of course it looks convincing... That's what they do to you... The book of Mormon has been altered... It contains things which aren't true... For instance, if you were to look at John 1:1

(Bible NIV)

"In The Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God...."

(Book of Mormon)

"In The Beginning was the Word and the word was with God and the Word was a God..."

See how that little article "a" can change things? Read John 1... The Word represents Jesus...

John 1:14a

(Bible NIV)

"The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us..."

Just read John Chapter 1

2007-10-30 05:50:47 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

It all comes down to interpretation... I could show you verse after verse that prove to me that they are three distinct beings and others would disagree - such as when Christ is baptized, Christ is obviously there, there is a voice from heaven (which is God the Father) exclaiming this is His beloved son, in whom he is well pleased and then surrounding people see the Holy Ghost descend upon Christ in the form of a dove...that shows me they are three distinct and separate beings, but all three being united one in purpose. Also, Christ was constantly referring to his father and "the one who sent me"...he was talking of God His Father, not himself.
That is the "one" part we believe - they are one in purpose and love, but not body or spirit.
Interpretation....that's what it's all about.

2007-10-30 07:40:51 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: ).be a disciples and tell them about the father son and holy ghost.

2007-10-30 05:56:44 · answer #10 · answered by esther9364622 4 · 0 0

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