Did this JW Rutherford have a messed up theology or what?

Question

As an example, Rutherford said that in 1925 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the prophets would return to Earth. He prepared them a mansion named Beth Sarim and he personally moved into this mansion and even bought an automobile with which to drive the resurrected patriachs around!

Can you believe this stuff??? That must have been real embarrassing moment in the JWs; history and another failed prophecy.

Edge: I have had couple of questions kicked out. I do not have a problem. I think they know that if they get this profile kicked out, I would start over again with exact same way. Mainly they are friendly to me. Many of them know I do not hate them.They need to be able to answer to these questions.

Pestie58: You are not hated, just lost. You need Jesus, God for your salvation as much as the rest of us. Jesus loves you and tries to knock on your heart's door but you are too busy with your organization to really realize who Jesus Christ, your Savior really is.

JWs are the false prophets, that is why you cannot say that you are persecuted for the sake of Jehovah. You do not even know who Jehovah is!

Moises_Frias: I do not quite understand what was your question, but I am not saying that you are false JW. You are Jehovah's Witness indeed, but I do not agree that you are Christian. You need to accept that Jesus is God Lord and your Savior, and get baptized in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit for you to call yourself a Christian.

Michelle Chang: How can one call oneself a true Christian when one goes door to door to spread a false teachings.

It is not your activity what gets you saved. It is when you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

Answer 1

There is an endless list of similar beliefs and teachings that JW's have followed or still follow without question. The sad thing is that those that dare question are disfellowshiped and remain so even after the teaching has been changed. So, for example some might have been disfellowshipped for not believing that the prophets were about to be resurrected but they were not reinstated when this prophecy proved to be yet another falsehood. Did you know that demonic pictures are hidden in some of their literatue illustrations? I have only recently found this out but am now searching all of the literature I have for more. The most obvious ones, and the ones which I was told about are in the Revelation book, the picture on page 54 clearly shows a shriveled, demonic looking hand and arm holding the sceptre of one of the 'kings and priests', and the hand of Jesus on page 159 has a pretty convincing demonic head on it! For all those who have these books I would say 'look for yourselves' and have the scales lifted from your eyes. And, no, I don't hate JW's, conversely I love you and dearly wish for you all to see the truth about the organisation so that you may worship God in freedom and truth rather than worship the lies put about by the organisation. If I hated you I would just let you go blindly to destruction rather than spend my precious time trying to show you the way to salvation.

Answer 2

Charles Taze Russell, Judge Rutherford, and Nathan Knorr were all messed up because they were all deceived by the deceiver as were and are their followers. The JW's are a deceived people to be pitied and prayed for. Many of the modern day JW's do not know the truth about the history of the Watchtower Organization because the big wheels in New York have kept back, and destroyed a lot of the old stuff. Since most of them are so afraid of Armageddon, they are too busy working themselves TO DEATH, to really stop and ask if this is true. They are so desperate to belong and so afraid they are going to be disfellowshipped they will not check out the history of the Watchtower. They can only read and study what they are told by the society. If they start to ask questions they will be questioned about who they have been talking to and what they've been reading.They are told they are to trust the overseers. Many of them know that what they teach is not the truth but they are too afraid to leave. the spirit of error is really doing a number on these people and they are lost and many more will be lost unless of a soverign move of God to reveal the truth to them. One thing they are right about and that is they will not go to heaven but, neither will the 144,000. No JW is a saved person.

Answer 3

I read up on Rutherford a little bit and found that he spent some time in prison where he developed a lung ailment that persisted throughout his life. Why doesn't anyone mention that since they seem to know so much about the man?

These early leaders came out of the same religions of the people that are ridiculing today. That indicates how many layers of falsehoods they had to remove. Only so much can be accomplished in the lifetime of a person, it's up to the next generations to refine and correct. There was a lot going on after the death of Russell and the organization was going in different directions. The same thing happened after the death of Jesus. It takes a while to get things going in the right direction again.

Answer 4

Well my friend every time I ask to the "Christians" what will Jesus Christ do after Armageddon with this planet during his 1000 years kingdom they say a lot of no- sense information and have several loops but JWs give me a clear explanation with any bible in the world, if they are false and you are right , then Why you can´t give me a clear and simple answer but they can do it?

why you NINA run away to answer to a false JWs like me if this is false? why you can´t answer me that?

TATer : neither you are saved. until Jesus and his judgment nobody can´t say "I am saved" many Christians will be killed by Jesus Christ in the Judgement day according to your lord in MAtthew 7:21-23.

Answer 5

Yeah, with their past of misunderstood prophecy, it is hard to believe, until you look around and realize that they (Jehovah's Witnesses) are the only religion around that is able to motivate over 6,000,000 people to do the preaching work just like Jesus and his disciples did.
Knowing that this organization had to slowly strip away all the pagan lies and traditions that apostates had grafted on to Christ's teachings over the centuries, one really should commend them for recognizing their errors, when they are always moving forward with their understanding of scripture.
I would think the people who a holding tenaciously to the false doctrines of the trinity, hellfire, and the immortal should would be more ashamed, yet blind that they are, they do not know they are spiritually naked.
I personally think very highly of the Jehovah's Witnesses, by means of the fact that they are so selfless as to be willing to give up their time to preach that it is God's Kingdom that will solve the problems facing humans. Most other religions are politically involved as though human governments are somehow going to save them.
They completely ignore what Jesus said when he told us that his kingdom is 'no part of this world'.

So, what we might wonder is this? If a religion has had doctrinal errors, yet is willing as a whole to let them go and move on to more accurate understanding, are they worse than a religion that refuses to admit error, and continues on in their doctrinal errors in fear of offending it's members?

I would be impresses if any other religion considered me so valuable as to take the time to come and teach me their faith, I mean, bottom line, isn't this a true expression of 'moving your neighbor as yourself?'

Answer 6

I AGREE WITH PESTIE

but here's something about Apostates......this is what Pestie is talking about:

Reasoning from the Scriptures published by Jehovah's Witnesses

Reasoning from the Scriptures

Apostasy
How serious is Apostasy?

2 Peter 2:1: "However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves."

Would faithful Christians welcome apostates into their presence, either personally or by reading their literature?

2 John 9, 10: "Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God....If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him."

Rom. 16:17, 18: "Now I exhort YOU, brothers, to keep your eye on those who cause divisions and occasions for stumbling contrary to the teaching that YOU have learned, and avoid them. For men of that sort are slaves, not of our Lord Christ, but of their own bellies; and by smooth talk and complimentary speech they seduce the hearts of guileless ones."

Answer 7

Yes he did but at least he got things rolling in the right direction.
From him the JW's came about and they have got things wrong in the past ,which they admit and change as they come to a greater understanding of gods purpose.
It just serves to prove they quest for the truth ,instead of being bogged down in lies.
I bet no other religions admit to there mistakes not at least with out kicking and screaming
When I was a JW they used to smoke .How good was it they showed the courage and love to get there followers to quit.

Answer 8

I don't know Nina--I think this is even stranger:

Come on--God comes from the Pleiades?
The measurement of the pyramids indicated 1914 for the return of Jesus?

Now, THAT was messed up.

Answer 9

Most churches have had something like that in their past though.

i.e- The Spanish Inquisitions
The Church of England (formed so that Henry VIII could divorce & kill his wives.)
Mormons not letting blacks in until fairly recently.
The whole televangelest thing....


Churches are filled with imperfect people, they do mess up now & then. Doesn't mean that God isn't real and that we shouldn't believe.

Answer 10

Rutherford - The Bible Students a.k.a. WTB&TS removed:

Christmas
Passover & Resurection (known as Easter in error)
Communion
Using the Cross
Brithdays
Rapture
All secular observances

Russell used these.