Isreal and the end times?

Question

For the benifit of those Jews That may not know the hearts of their beloved christian supporters, would any Evangelical like to do a quick account of what you thank is supposed to happen to Isreal?
The part before Jesus kills all of us Muslims,and the remaining Jews flip Christian?

Right Fish.
But you do thank some pretty nasty stuff is coming right?
thats why you are so afraid of a peace settlement? You Bagdad hasnt been totally destroyed.

Buttercup a thousand year version of the George Bush Regime is not a pretty picture either. Thats pretty close to your idea of Paradise. The only thing i cant figure out is who you will have to look down on if there are no poor people or people who cant work.

Julie your criminal Zionist state would not last six months without the Americans flooding your country with money and weapons.
where are the famous Galil rifles?
the americans give you so many M-16s you dont even need them.
And I am talking about the Christian end-time idea.
I know you view them as usefull idiots.

the point you made at the end is exactly my point! You only hate us because we are in the way!
We did not start the bllod libel,we did not carry out the pogoms. we were just in the wrong place when the world decided to give you our land!

And for whats its worth Juls i can respect you as an enemy worthy of respect. It is the trachery of the Christians I was trying to get at.

Cant get to my sandbox. there is a collective farm on it.

And you,be well. this is all so damn sad.

Honey: I see what you mean. But Muslims and Jews are not just reading the newspaper,and watching TV, We are both sides seeing our people die. It seems to me the outside influence is part of the problem.
She is mad,hell yes,she would be a traitor to her people if she was not. I am damn sure mad. A lot of Cool heads have gone home with ulcers trying to solve this. But its a Diplomatc problem to them. Its Life and Death to us.

Answer 1

Are you nuts? First of all, we Jews don't need that kind of "benefit" of information, we have our own version of what happens just before the World To Come and the REAL Messiah comes, but thanks anyway.

Secondly, it has nothing at all to do with "Jesus killing all you muslims", there is no such thing in Jewish prophecy.

Nor is there any Jewish prophecy that the remaining Jews flip into Christianity, which is idolatry for us. No thanks.

What we DO have is that there will be a war between the Muslims and the Jews, and also the Muslims and Esau (the European/American, etc. West).

It begins with the Muslims attacking the Jews, overruning Jerusalem where rapes, burnings of homes, murdering of Jewish men, women, and children occur -- although the righteous of these will survive.

At that point Ishmael turns to the West and there is a great war between Esau and Ishmael. In MOST versions, Esau wins and then goes to try to wipe out the rest of the Jews (which doesn't happen, due to Messiah). This includes the Christians within Esau, turning to Jerusalem to try to wipe out the rest of the Jews.

However, in at least ONE version, Ishmael wins, Esau is vanquished, and then the Muslims turn back to Jerusalem (figurative for all Israel including Jerusalem) to finish off the remaining Jews.

Again, doesn't happen (Messiah).

And most of us couldn't care less about "beloved Christian supporters" because we ALL know that there is no one we can ever count on to support us except the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Christians "love us" to death, they may support us and Israel but ONLY because they believe that in the end we will be culturally and religiously wiped out and exist no more as Jews, but will all "flip" as you put it, into Christians.

With friends like that, who the hell needs enemies? I'd rather have a Muslim for an enemy any day (if i had to have an enemy, that is) because at least they don't sugar coat their wish to wipe us off the face of the earth, they are straighforward about it and we know exactly where they stand. Much better than the back-stabbing type of "love" that Christianity displays which will mean the death of us as Jews in their book.

Source: Torah prophecy, me, Jewish, my own opinions, but shared by many Jews.

EDIT: Zionism forever, yep. Our land, our souls and spirit lives there, our Temple, it is our spirit, the Land of Israel. Sorry if that pisses you off - eh, not really. Learn to live with it, because soon the Muslims will have used up any merit they had in the eyes of God as they continue to murder Jews and try to steal the land with the help of Bush and the rest of Esau. It won't last long, so feed while you can. As for the "useful idiots" I neither use nor care about Christians and their "support" for us. We know they are next, after the Muslims, to try to destroy us again, they are just waiting in the wings. You shouldn't speak so harshly about them, you know, because they are the ones making it possible for Muslims to have what little power they do have right now, it is Bush who has pushed for a two state solution, which if you look at his plan very closely, is actually a plan for the demise of the entire state of Israel. So you should be kissing Christian butt yourself right now, without them Muslims would still be throwing rocks and sticks instead of bombs. Go play nice in your sandbox now.

The collective farm belongs there. It is Jewish land, there has been a continuous Jewish presence there for almost 4000 years. Not an Arab presence, who came from the Arabian Peninsula later, and certainly not a Muslim presence which came over a thousand years later.

Nope, Arabs didn't start the blood libel, but they never defended us against it either.

Muslims have started similar lies such as "there were no Jews in Israel until the 1800's", "the Temple Mount is where Mohammed took off on his horse to heaven" when Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Koran even once, but is mentioned in the Torah hundreds of times, and it was a dream Mohammed had, in which the "farthest mosque" is named as where he took off on his horse from - there was no mosque in Jerusalem at that time.

Muslims have also invented the lie that the Wailing Wall was merely a place where Mohammed tied his horse, and not the last remaining wall of the Second Temple, which is what it is.

Muslims have taken over the tombs of our ancestors and destroyed them in Hevron, Joseph's Tomb, and elsewhere.
These are acts of cowardice and extreme disrespect. If a Jew even touches a Muslim holy spot, the Muslims riot and murder people left and right, and this has happened several times.

Jews are not allowed to step foot on our own Temple Mount except in extremely small limited groups (if that) for over 60 years. Most people don't even know that, but we do, don't we.

This is because the Muslim Waqf is in charge of the Temple Mount and has been since the Re-establishment of the State of Israel when the Israeli Erev Rav (look that up if you don't know what it is) leadership won it back, and then turned right around and handed it back to the Muslims - who at first thought it was a trick, but soon realised that it wasn't.

What the Muslims don't realise is that they are just tools in the hands of these Erev Rav Israeli leaders, and when their usefulness is over, so will the Muslims be. You might want to look into that, it's very interesting.

Lets not forget the biggest lie of all - that of the "Palestinian" people, when they are nothing more than the children of the Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians who invaded the area. Most of those Arabs have not even been there a hundred years. Nobody ever heard of "Palestinians" until 1967 when Yassir Arafat decided to name them that, as the Arabs nations they belonged to refused to allow them back into their own countries and kept them in the camps.

Yep, we agree on the treachery of the Christians. It won't be easy having to watch our backs for them, while watching our fronts for the Muslims, but we will do it. We have no choice.

I admire your honesty and straighforwardness, and have enjoyed our conversation. Be well.

Answer 2

Israel is being forced into a "Peace Plan" meaning
Israel give up Land-give P.L.O. Money cause they would starve,when war is taught from childhood no time for Industrey;We the Nations
will protect You Israel,on our Word of Honor;Like in may 67,when asked to leave by Egypt,We did;
There will be an Interium peace Plan like the one ,
Ex Presidents Carter and Clinton pushed ,this one will be of Seven yr. duration;Oh Yes Jerusalem will be Internationised City and Rome
Official will be the caretaker,also One Jewish & One P.L.O. Mayor;The Man with the plan is from the 11th nation that joined the E.U. There are basic ten Nations,there are a lot more now, But the First Ten hold the Power-the others associate Members; Damacus will be destroyed by the only democracy in that region.Isa;ch 7, Peace Plan will
be signed it is Seven,Then and only then will Russia-Iran-Ethopia-Libya-and Arab Nations will move to Disarm Israel, -------Israel will sit this war out; When the dust settles 83 Percent of Invading
Anti- Semites will be no more;The World will know
that it is God that Builds up and that God brings down;Ishamel would not let go of Hatred for their
Half brothers;This is what Hate always results in;You being a Muslim have a part in the events just ahead;It was pride with satan and pride of Arabs;

Answer 3

Julia you need a large dose of prozac. Your answers are so full of anger you can't even think straight. You command that everyone agrees w/ you no matter what. I usually don't see that coming from Jews. But anyway...

According to you and many other wishful thinkers, Palestine is a new country. And the same goes the other way around. But what both sides forget is that the Jews don't have to share the Muslim's beliefs, but should respect them. The Muslims don't have to share Jewish beliefs, but should respect them. And I don't agree with either side reacting in violence toward one another as a response. Watch Kingdom of heaven, all the 3 religions lived happily and peacefully among one another until violence broke out among them. That wasn't just a movie, that was a fact that nobody is trying to force upon you. However, the Palestinians have just as much right over their properties as the Jewish do. You can't defend your actions while you're steering a bulldozer in every direction your heart tells you. And one shouldn't defend his actions when he retaliates violently toward a Jew in response to what he endured. In this situation, I don't see anybody winning or losing. All I see is a whole lot of yap yap yap and very little progress.
So Julia, my advice is that people like you need to step down for a change and let the more intelligent, peaceful and open minded ones try to make some changes. I've seen many of your types, and you have nothing good to contribute except hatred, and all you do is provoke more violence.
And another advice, keep your religion to yourself if it's not helping the israel/palestinian conflict. God sent us to this planet as human beings, not as God himself. So our job is the be humanE first, then try to push our beliefs on one another. Faith is a personal thing, but being human is what counts more...

Answer 4

End of Time Prophecy is not just for Jews, Muslims or Christians; it is for the entire population of the world. The prophecy does tell us Israel will be protected from a major battle, which is part of the beginning of The End of Times.
Jesus is not going to kill anyone. One of the biggest Christian beliefs is John3:16 , a post from earlier; For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Unfortunately the Quran has a verse mainly supported by Islamic extremist, something about decapitating the heads of infidels, I believe I have also read somewhere that even though Christians believe in the same God we believe in Christ, so we are also infidels. As for as Jews flipping us off, no more than any other faith or atheists, that’s their prerogative.
Hope you find the righ answer for your question and God Bless

Answer 5

It should have come to your attention much sooner than this that Israel and the USA are not exactly at war. No peace treaty required if there is no peace needing to be made. If you are referring to between Israel and everyone who isn't giving them vast amounts of military aid - fat chance. We hear about potential peace agreements being brokered every couple years. They never work. Edit: Then ask again on Wednesday. That's when I'll be legally ordained.

Answer 6

For there to be an "end" times, one important fact has to happen which WON'T. Despite the fact christians put the Apostle John's supposed "prophesies" above all Jesus said, HE was not the Son of "God." The one thing Jesus said has to happen, is "JEWS" will accept him as having been the messiah. THEN, he will "return."

Answer 7

Harpazo = Rapture

END-TIME BIBLE PROPHECY

The Messiah Lord Jesus said BIRTH PANGS would signal the time of the end (Matthew 24:8). There are NINE birth pangs, they are all PRE-TRIBULATIONAL and the 1st three already occurred.

The first birth pang was worldwide conflict coupled with famines and earthquakes (Matthew 24:7-8). Worldwide conflict was fulfilled in 1914-1918, major famines happened in 1918-1921 and most of the world’s major earthquakes began to occur since 1900.

The second birth pang was the restoration of a Jewish State (Ezekiel 20:33-38; Ezekiel 22:17-22; Ezekiel 36:22-24; Zephaniah 2:1-2). This was fulfilled in 1948.

The third birth pang was Jewish control of the Old City of Jerusalem (Revelation 11:1-2). For the third Jewish Temple (Tribulation Temple) to be rebuilt, Jerusalem needs to be under Jewish control and this was accomplished in the Six Day War in 1967.

The fourth birth pang will be the Ezekiel 38 war. Russia, allied states of Iran, Ethiopia, Somalia, Germany and Armenia will invade Israel. God will miraculously destroy the invading army by earthquake, civil war among the invading soldiers, pestilence, blood, flood, hailstones, fire and brimstone. This will bring a revival in Israel where many Jews will turn to the Lord, and Israel will spend 7 years and 7 months burying the bodies and burning for fuel the military equipment left behind (Ezekiel 39:9-16).

The 5th birth pang will be the development of a one world government (Daniel 7:23-24).

The 6th birth pang will be the splitting of the one world government into 10 kingdoms and this Ten Kingdom Stage will continue until mid-Tribulation (Daniel 7:24).

The 7th birth pang will be the revelation of the Antichrist (II Thessalonians 2:1-3; Daniel 7:24).

The 8th birth pang will be a period of peace and false security that will be shattered by the Tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3).

The 9th and final birth pang before the Tribulation is the signing of the 7-year covenant between Israel and the Antichrist. THIS EVENT IS WHAT BEGINS THE (7-year) TRIBULATION - NOT THE RAPTURE!

The Rapture of the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) is also a pre-tribulational event (Luke 21:34-37; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 19:6-8). The fact that the Church is not mentioned in any of the Tribulation Scriptures proves the Rapture is pre-tribulational. All raptured Christians will receive glorified bodies (Romans 8:22-23; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54)) and it can happen at any second.


THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 6-9 AND 17)

The Ministry of 144,000 sealed Jewish believers will bring many throughout the world to accept Christ.

There will be a powerful Ministry of Two Witnesses who will also be anointed Jewish believers.

A one world religious system (Babylon the Harlot) will rule. Under this one world religious system, many who are saved during the Tribulation will suffer persecution and death.

The Political system of the 10 kings of the one world government will continue.

During the first half of the Tribulation there will also be war, worldwide famine, death (1/4 of the world’s population will die), a huge earthquake, a blackout and a meteor shower. 1/3 of earth’s dry surface will be destroyed, 1/3 sea life and salt water will be destroyed, a fallen angel called Wormwood will make 1/3 of earth’s fresh water bitter, 1/3 of earth’s natural light sources will be destroyed, there will be another blackout and demons in the form of “locust-scorpions” will come up out of the abyss led by Abaddon their king and they will inflict harm and pain for five months upon those who are not sealed by God (unbelievers). Another demonic invasion will occur and the demons involved will be led by four fallen angels who will be released from the Euphrates River and this army will kill 1/3 of the earth’s population.


MID-TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 10-14 AND 17)

The Antichrist will war against the 10 kings, and during the war the Antichrist will be killed.

Satan will be cast out of the atmospheric heavens onto earth and will resurrect the Antichrist.

The Antichrist will kill 3 kings (the kings of Syria, Egypt and Mesopotamia) and the 7 other kings will submit to him.

The Antichrist will kill the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem and the wicked people will celebrate this event. Three and a half days afterwards, God will resurrect the Two Witnesses and take them up to Heaven and the people who celebrated will become terrified. The city of Jerusalem where the murder of the Two Witnesses occurred will then suffer an earthquake which will kill 7,000 people.

The False Prophet will receive from Satan the power to perform great miracles and will deceive many. The False Prophet will command all people to worship the Antichrist and have persons create an image to the Antichrist. The False Prophet will use his satanic powers to give it life and the ability to speak. The False Prophet will cause those who refuse to worship the Antichrist and the image to be killed.

The False Prophet will issue his own counterfeit seal known as the Mark of the Beast and it will be placed on all those who surrender to the Antichrist’s authority and accept him as god. Those who refuse to take this mark will not be able to buy or sell. Those who take this mark will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

The Antichrist will break the seven-year covenant he made with Israel, cause the sacrifices to stop, sit in the Jewish Temple, declare to the world that he is really God and set up an idol called the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple (Daniel 9:27; Daniel 12:11; Matthew 24:15-16; 11Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 13:11-15).

Through the Antichrist and the False Prophet, Satan will attempt to destroy the Jews once and for all but he will fail because 1/3 of the Jews will succeed in fleeing into the wilderness. These Jews who escape will accept the Lord Jesus as their Saviour during the Tribulation (Zechariah 13:7-9) and while they are in hiding, God will miraculously provide for them (Zechariah 13:8-9; Isaiah 41:17-20). Divine intervention will also destroy the pursuing army.


THE SECOND HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES FOUND IN REVELATION 15, 16, 18, 19, 20)

In the second half of the Tribulation, those with the Mark of the Beast will suffer skin sores, the remainder of sea water and fresh water will be destroyed, the sun will cause terrible burns and the wicked will blaspheme God. There will be yet another blackout and persons will suffer gnawing pains.

Babylon will be the center of world economy and political system but Babylon will be swiftly destroyed by fire and become uninhabitable for man.

The Antichrist will locate the Jews who sought refuge in the wilderness and surround them with his armies to wipe them out. The Lord Jesus will then descend from Heaven with His angels and Saints. He will come with great glory riding upon a horse and will destroy the Antichrist, the False Prophet and all of their armies. After this, a loud voice will cry out “It is done!” followed by the greatest earthquake in the earth’s history and hail weighing 120 pounds will fall.

At the end of the Tribulation, there will be another blackout, the stars will fall from the sky and the heavenly bodies will be shaken (Matthew 24:29), the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the eternal Lake of Fire and Satan will be cast into the Abyss and bound for 1,000 years.


THE MILLENNIUM

The Lord Jesus will reign over the entire earth during the Millennium. The Jewish and Gentile believers who survive the Tribulation will go on to populate the Millennium. Believers who died before and during the Tribulation and believers who were raptured will be present on earth during the Millennium and because they will have glorified bodies they will not reproduce. All believers will be given special tasks by the Lord Jesus (Revelation 20:4-6). There will be no wars (Isaiah 2:2-4), animals will return to the Edenic state and become vegetarians (Isaiah 11:6-9), people will not labour in vain but eat what they plant and inhabit what they build, there will be renovations in the heavens and earth and there will be righteous and unrighteous children born during the Millennium (Isaiah 65:17-25).

At the end of the Millennium, Satan will be loosed from the Abyss and will deceive and gather the unrighteous for a war against the righteous. This will be his final attempt to destroy the righteous and when the unrighteous of the Millennium surround the good people, God will send fire down from Heaven which will suddenly and massively annihilate all of the wicked people. Satan will then be cast into the Lake of Fire where he will remain in torment for eternity (Revelation 20:7-10).


THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT

The Great White Throne Judgment will be the next main event. The old heavens and earth will be done away with and all will stand before God’s throne to be judged (Revelation 20:11-12). Those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire which will be their final and eternal abode (Revelation 20:14-15).


THE ETERNAL ORDER (REVELATION 21 AND 22)

Those whose names are found in the Book of Life will enjoy paradise with God forever. The heavens and earth will be made new and the New Jerusalem will come down upon the earth making the earth like Heaven. All curses from the fall will be removed and the earth will be inhabited by the Triune God (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit), all angels and all of the righteous. The seas, moon, night and sun will be done away with and the glory of God will illuminate the earth. The River of Life will flow from God’s throne, the Tree of Life will bear health-giving fruits and leaves and the name of Jesus will be on the foreheads of all of the righteous.


God’s Plan of Salvation for Us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZkDk1GZ7do

Answer 8

I think this is a sarcastic question about an important
event that will actually happen (whether you believe it
or not isn't important). Christ will return to Israel to set
up His earthly Kingdom at His timing. All those who
believe in Him will be with Him to live eternally, where
there will be no more weeping, sadness, disease, or
death. Please don't be foolish and miss it. Your other
only choice is not a pretty sight.

Answer 9

I will worry about the mass slaughter of Jews and others by Christians if and when Jesus comes back.

In the mean time my focus is on many Muslim Arab groups who are currently and actively trying to kill Jews.

I am more worried about the people who say that God commands them to kill me then those that say it is command that God will kill me.

Answer 10

Before any of that happens, Santa will show up and announce that the Easter Bunny is now the supreme ruler of the world.